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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C03212.606B0380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Point taken! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jim Cobb=20 To: dmdalton=20 Cc: dwiden@ho*.co* ; donburke56@ne*.ne* ; 'Paul Braunbehrens' ; = techdiver@aquanaut.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 2:54 PM Subject: Re: rec trimix I know this is going to piss off a lot of rec divers but I believe = that increasing your bottom PP02's for the purpose of avoiding a deco = obligation is a really stupid idea. It is typical of our sport that this = principle is embraced by almost everybody. Even to the point of calling = potentially deadly hyperoxic mixes "safeair". I think there should be an industry-wide ban of bottom or working = PP02's of anything over 1.2. And if you need to spend more time down = there then you need to do it right with doubles and a deco plan. The = idea of "standard" trimixes with 02 of 32 or 36 or greater is inverse to = common sense. Jim On Monday, October 9, 2000, at 01:20 AM, dmdalton wrote: David, Don & whomever else, Why does this need to be a gas that "tracks" air? Anyone who would be interested in the minimal extra training necessary for a = recreationally oriented Trimix would either already be Nitrox trained or certainly = capable of it. As was already pointed out a Tri-Ox course could easily make = Nitrox a thing of the past. If we are talking about "no stop dives" then = wouldn't it make sense to boost the O2 level to get some increased bottom time? A = 21X24 @ 130 ft for 5 minutes calls for 1 min at 30, 20 & 10 (Deco Planner GF = - lo 25/hi 90). While a 28 X 35 gives you 10 min @ 130 and only adds 1 min = at 40 ft to the above. Nitrox has it's limits and so would Tri-Ox. I would = venture to say that an individual breathing Tri-Ox of 28 X 35 would be far = less likely to ignore the 130 ft limit than someone breathing EAN 28. As for the Rec Agencies, I think they will be the ones to embrace this = mix which would be one more specialty that they could get into their = curriculum. They certainly have all embraced devil gas, I'm sorry, Nitrox. Yeah, I = know it took a while but when Tri-Ox hit's for real they will all jump on = it like a chicken on a June bug. The gentleman I took Nitrox from ( a former = NOAA Nitrox Diver of 14 years) was talking about standardized Tri-Ox 32 & = Tri-Ox 36, 3 years ago when I took the course. I believe the bigger challenge is the few shops that pump Trimix. In = the DC area I know of only one shop that pumps it and I understand that they = are getting in the neighborhood of $80 for a single tank of Trimix. = Outlandish, but then I understand that in NY you can get hit up $20 for a single = of Nitrox. Dave Dalton ----- Original Message ----- From: David B. Widen <dwiden@ho*.co*> To: <donburke56@ne*.ne*>; 'Paul Braunbehrens' = <Bakalite@ba*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 2:53 PM Subject: RE: rec trimix > Don > > Good thought. It will be hell to get the rec agency to support. > I ran some of the numbers through Deco Planner and some other calculations. > > To more closely track air and without penalties a 21x24 works with = END of 80 > IAW DecoPlanner and END of 90 if you calc with N2 & O2 as narcotic = gases. > Without building the whole tables w/SIT and repet groups. There are several > general mixes that would work well. The Normoxic value would serve = the > uninformed or hard headed person who exceeds 130. It would also = support and > assist in the transistion of new divers to this type of dive gas and = idea. > > Type Cost: 21x24 $.215/cuft 21x30 $.252/cuft > AL80 21x24 ~$17 21x30 ~$20 > ST95 21x24 ~$21 21x30 ~$24 > > Cost increase 3 to 5 times without over fills. > > David > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Don Burke [mailto:donburke56@ya*.co*] > > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:56 AM > > To: Paul Braunbehrens; techdiver@aquanaut.com > > Subject: Re:rec trimix > > > > > > Comments scattered within > > > > --- Paul Braunbehrens <Bakalite@ba*.co*> wrote: > > > I think that this is where trimix computers come in. > > > Even if it's a > > > good "drop in" gas, I'd still like to track what I'm > > > really using. > > > > Certainly. It isn't rocket science in any case. I > > haven't worked out _every_ possibility so the He > > content may have to be backed off a couple of points > > to stay inside the air tables. > > > > A set of rec-tri tables wouldn't seem to be too hard > > to make up for repetitive diving, although PADI would > > probably have to actually come up with a new set of > > surface interval numbers to allow for He instead of > > the Xerox solution used for the surface intervals on > > the PADI EAN tables. > > > > > > > Also, because of O2 Tox there would have to be some > > > kind of an > > > "orientation class" at the least. If you go down to > > > 160 on air and > > > come back up right away you're stupid, but you won't > > > tox on O2. A > > > "drop in" gas would need some serious warning if it > > > has a higher O2 > > > content. > > > > Yeah, the orientation would be: > > > > "Remember when I told you to stay shallower than 130? > > Well this time I mean it." > > > > You didn't mention the CNS clock, but since we are on > > the subject of O2, I haven't figured out a way to run > > out the clock with 28% O2 without going well into deco > > stop diving or going below 130. I doubt there is one. > > > > > Don Burke wrote: > > > ~ > > > >As variation on the same theme, how about 28/35 as > > > a "drop-in" replacement for air? > > > > > > > >It is good to 130 feet under any conditions a rec > > > diver will see. > > > > > > > >The no stop times are longer than for air. > > > > > > > >The END at 130 feet is about 80 feet. > > > > > > > >The only downside is cost. > > > > > > > >Don Burke > > > >Chesapeake, Virginia > > > > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to = `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to = `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to = `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to = `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C03212.606B0380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <?fontfamily><?param Helvetica><HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2014.210" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#a8c8f0> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Point taken!</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A href=3D"mailto:cobber@ci*.co*" = title=3Dcobber@ci*.co*>Jim=20 Cobb</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = href=3D"mailto:dmdalton@qu*.ne*"=20 title=3Ddmdalton@qu*.ne*>dmdalton</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A = href=3D"mailto:dwiden@ho*.co*"=20 title=3Ddwiden@ho*.co*>dwiden@home.com</A> ; <A=20 href=3D"mailto:donburke56@ne*.ne*"=20 title=3Ddonburke56@ne*.ne*>donburke56@netzero.net</A> ; <A=20 href=3D"mailto:Bakalite@ba*.co*" = title=3DBakalite@ba*.co*>'Paul=20 Braunbehrens'</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com"=20 title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com>techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 09, 2000 = 2:54=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: rec trimix</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>I know this is going to piss off a lot of rec divers = but I=20 believe that increasing your bottom PP02's for the purpose of avoiding = a deco=20 obligation is a really stupid idea. It is typical of our sport that = this=20 principle is embraced by almost everybody. Even to the point of = calling=20 potentially deadly hyperoxic mixes "safeair".<BR><BR>I think there = should be=20 an industry-wide ban of bottom or working PP02's of anything over 1.2. = And if=20 you need to spend more time down there then you need to do it right = with=20 doubles and a deco plan. The idea of "standard" trimixes with 02 of 32 = or 36=20 or greater is inverse to common sense.<BR><BR>Jim<BR><BR>On Monday, = October 9,=20 2000, at 01:20 AM, dmdalton wrote:<BR><BR><I>David, Don & whomever = else,</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><BR><I></I><?/color><I>Why = does=20 this need to be a gas that "tracks" air? Anyone who would = be</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>interested = in the=20 minimal extra training necessary for a = recreationally</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>oriented=20 Trimix would either already be Nitrox trained or certainly = capable</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>of it. = As was=20 already pointed out a Tri-Ox course could easily make Nitrox = a</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>thing of the = past.=20 If we are talking about "no stop dives" then wouldn't = it</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>make sense = to=20 boost the O2 level to get some increased bottom time? A = 21X24</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>@ 130 ft = for 5=20 minutes calls for 1 min at 30, 20 & 10 (Deco Planner GF - = lo</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>25/hi 90). = While a=20 28 X 35 gives you 10 min @ 130 and only adds 1 min at = 40</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>ft to the = above.=20 Nitrox has it's limits and so would Tri-Ox. I would = venture</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>to say = that=20 an individual breathing Tri-Ox of 28 X 35 would be far = less</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>likely to = ignore=20 the 130 ft limit than someone breathing EAN 28.</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><BR><I></I><?/color><I>As for the=20 Rec Agencies, I think they will be the ones to embrace this = mix</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>which would = be=20 one more specialty that they could get into their = curriculum.</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>They=20 certainly have all embraced devil gas, I'm sorry, Nitrox. Yeah, I = know</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>it took a = while=20 but when Tri-Ox hit's for real they will all jump on it = like</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>a chicken = on a=20 June bug. The gentleman I took Nitrox from ( a former = NOAA</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>Nitrox = Diver of=20 14 years) was talking about standardized Tri-Ox 32 & = Tri-Ox</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>36, 3 = years=20 ago when I took the course.</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><BR><I></I><?/color><I>I believe=20 the bigger challenge is the few shops that pump Trimix. In the = DC</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>area I know = of=20 only one shop that pumps it and I understand that they = are</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>getting in = the=20 neighborhood of $80 for a single tank of Trimix. = Outlandish,</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>but = then=20 I understand that in NY you can get hit up $20 for a single = of</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>Nitrox.</I><?color>&l t;?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><BR><I></I><?/color><I>Dave=20 Dalton</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><BR><BR><I></I><?/color><I>-----=20 Original Message=20 -----</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>From: = David B.=20 Widen <dwiden@ho*.co*></I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>To:=20 <donburke56@ne*.ne*>; 'Paul Braunbehrens'=20 <Bakalite@ba*.co*>;</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I><techdiver@aquanaut.com& gt;</I><= ?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>Sent:=20 Sunday, October 08, 2000 2:53 PM</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>Subject: RE: rec=20 trimix</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><BR><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 Don</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>></I><?color><? param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 Good thought. It will be hell to get the rec agency to = support.</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> I = ran=20 some of the numbers through Deco Planner and some = other</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>calculations.</I><?co lor><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>></I><?color><? param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 To more closely track air and without penalties a 21x24 works with END = of</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>80</I><?color><?pa ram = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 IAW DecoPlanner and END of 90 if you calc with N2 & O2 as narcotic = gases.</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> = Without=20 building the whole tables w/SIT and repet groups. There = are</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>several</I><?color>&l t;?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 general mixes that would work well. The Normoxic value would serve = the</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> = uninformed=20 or hard headed person who exceeds 130. It would also = support</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>and</I><?color><?p aram = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 assist in the transistion of new divers to this type of dive gas and = idea.</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>></I><?color><? param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 Type Cost: 21x24 $.215/cuft 21x30 $.252/cuft</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> AL80=20 21x24 ~$17 21x30=20 ~$20</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> = ST95 21x24=20 ~$21 21x30=20 ~$24</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>></I><?color><? param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 Cost increase 3 to 5 times without over fills.</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>></I><?color><? param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 David</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>></I><?color><? param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 > -----Original Message-----</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 > From: Don Burke [mailto:donburke56@ya*.co*]</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:56=20 AM</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > = To: Paul=20 Braunbehrens;=20 techdiver@aquanaut.com</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 > Subject: Re:rec trimix</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> ></I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> ></I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> >=20 Comments scattered within</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> ></I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > ---=20 Paul Braunbehrens <Bakalite@ba*.co*> = wrote:</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> = > >=20 I think that this is where trimix computers come = in.</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > = >=20 Even if it's a</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 > > good "drop in" gas, I'd still like to track what = I'm</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > = >=20 really using.</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 ></I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> = >=20 Certainly. It isn't rocket science in any case. I</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > haven't=20 worked out _every_ possibility so the=20 He</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > = content=20 may have to be backed off a couple of points</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > to=20 stay inside the air tables.</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> ></I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > A set=20 of rec-tri tables wouldn't seem to be too hard</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > to=20 make up for repetitive diving, although PADI would</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> >=20 probably have to actually come up with a new set of</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > surface=20 interval numbers to allow for He instead=20 of</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > = the=20 Xerox solution used for the surface intervals on</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > the PADI=20 EAN tables.</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 ></I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> = ></I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > = >=20 Also, because of O2 Tox there would have to be some</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > >=20 kind of an</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> >=20 > "orientation class" at the least. If you go down = to</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > = > 160=20 on air and</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> >=20 > come back up right away you're stupid, but you = won't</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > = >=20 tox on O2. A</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 > > "drop in" gas would need some serious warning if = it</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > = > has=20 a higher O2</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> >=20 > content.</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 ></I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> = > Yeah,=20 the orientation would be:</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> ></I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> >=20 "Remember when I told you to stay shallower than = 130?</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > = Well=20 this time I mean=20 it."</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> = ></I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > = You=20 didn't mention the CNS clock, but since we are on</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > the=20 subject of O2, I haven't figured out a way to run</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > out the=20 clock with 28% O2 without going well into deco</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > stop=20 diving or going below 130. I doubt there is one.</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> ></I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > >=20 Don Burke wrote:</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 > > ~</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> >=20 > >As variation on the same theme, how about 28/35 = as</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > = > a=20 "drop-in" replacement for air?</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > >=20 ></I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> = > >=20 >It is good to 130 feet under any conditions a = rec</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > = >=20 diver will see.</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 > > ></I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 > > >The no stop times are longer than for = air.</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > = >=20 ></I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> = > >=20 >The END at 130 feet is about 80=20 feet.</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> = > >=20 ></I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> = > >=20 >The only downside is cost.</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> > >=20 ></I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> = > >=20 >Don Burke</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 > > >Chesapeake,=20 Virginia</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> = >=20 > ></I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>></I><?color><? param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 --</I><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>> Send = mail for=20 the `techdiver' mailing list to = `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>>=20 Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to = `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>></I><?color><? param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><BR><I></I><?/color><I>--</I><?color> <?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>Send=20 mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to = `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><I></I><?/color><I>Send=20 subscribe/unsubscribe requests to = `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.</I><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C03212.606B0380-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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