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> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3053541053_414336_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Don- Mixing station? No, what you need is a whip and a group of like-minded divers to pool your resources with. You can whine and moan about the injustices of the world all you want. Or you can go out and do something about it. Your choice. Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------- Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ From: "Mcinnis, Don" <Don.Mcinnis@in*.co*> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:02:23 -0500 To: "'cobber@ci*.co*'" <cobber@ci*.co*>, Paul Braunbehrens <Bakalite@ba*.co*> Cc: "'RDecker388@ao*.co*'" <RDecker388@ao*.co*>, scottk@hc*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: RE: clarification was: An the beat goes on and on Jim, All this is true as long as you have your own mixing station in your garage. If you don't, then you need to get hosed by the agencies for a bunch of classes leading up to the eventual destination of being certified. I agree fully that it is common sense not rocket science. The problem is that the agencies and instructors are making a living off all of the pre-requisites they say are needed to be able to take a tank into a dive shop and get a trimix fill. Don -----Original Message----- From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 2:55 PM To: Paul Braunbehrens Cc: Mcinnis, Don; 'RDecker388@ao*.co*'; scottk@hc*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: RE: clarification was: An the beat goes on and on While I am not discounting the need for proper training, you don't need squat for certification to dive with trimix. I have yet to see a industrial gas supplier ask for a c-card for tanks of 02 and He. And as far as the the air tops are concerned it's pretty much a "don't ask, don't tell" policy at the dive shops I've visited. If your diveshop is an asshole about this, then it's time to move on. Personally I believe that if you are proficient at mixing nitrox and are currently mixing it on a regular basis, there is no reason one earth why you can't shitcan your nitrox wrist computer, get DecoPlanner for your laptop and go trimix diving. It ain't rocket science, folks. Jim On Wednesday, October 4, 2000, at 11:41 AM, Paul Braunbehrens wrote: No kidding! I'm doing it right now, adv. nitrox, stage deco and trimix just because I want to use He. It's actually ironic that you have to do a deco class to use trimix. It seems to me they are separate subjects. You won't get a fill without it though. Mcinnis, Don wrote: ~ >Bob, > >What's the prerequisite in shingles needed to get into it? Usually needed is >the advanced nitrox, decompression techniques, and then the "entry level >trimix" course at least. All this for being able to dive with a clear head >between 70 and 150'. Scott's point all along is there needs to be a "rec" >HOTx course with something like a nitrox C-card pre-req to open up He to >more people without having to go through 4 extra courses (not to mention >about $2000 or more) just to dive HOTx which is by definition relatively >shallow (less logistics) diving. -- Paul Braunbehrens mailto:Bakalite@ba*.co* http://www.daw-mac.com Mailing list for digital audio on the mac -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. --MS_Mac_OE_3053541053_414336_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: clarification was: An the beat goes on and on</TITLE= > </HEAD> <BODY> Don-<BR> <BR> Mixing station? No, what you need is a whip and a group of like-minded dive= rs to pool your resources with. You can whine and moan about the injustices = of the world all you want. Or you can go out and do something about it. Your= choice.<BR> <BR> Jim<BR> -------------------------------------------------------------------<BR> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <B>From: </B>"Mcinnis, Don" <Don.Mcinnis@in*.co*><BR> <B>Date: </B>Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:02:23 -0500 <BR> <B>To: </B>"'cobber@ci*.co*'" <cobber@ci*.co*&= gt;, Paul Braunbehrens <Bakalite@ba*.co*><BR> <B>Cc: </B>"'RDecker388@ao*.co*'" <RDecker388@ao*.co*>, sco= ttk@hc*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR> <B>Subject: </B>RE: clarification was: An the beat goes on and = on<BR> <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Jim,<BR= > </FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR> <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">All this is true as= long as you have your own mixing station in your garage. If you don't, then= you need to get hosed by the agencies for a bunch of classes leading up to = the eventual destination of being certified. I agree fully that it is common= sense not rocket science. The problem is that the agencies and instructors = are making a living off all of the pre-requisites they say are needed to be = able to take a tank into a dive shop and get a trimix fill.<BR> </FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR> <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Don<BR> </FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<B= R> <B>From:</B> Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]<BR> <B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 04, 2000 2:55 PM<BR> <B>To:</B> Paul Braunbehrens<BR> <B>Cc:</B> Mcinnis, Don; 'RDecker388@ao*.co*'; scottk@hc*.co*; techdiver@a= quanaut.com<BR> <B>Subject:</B> RE: clarification was: An the beat goes on and on<BR> <BR> </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica">While I am not discounting the need for proper train= ing, you don't need squat for certification to dive with trimix. I have yet = to see a industrial gas supplier ask for a c-card for tanks of 02 and He. An= d as far as the the air tops are concerned it's pretty much a "don't as= k, don't tell" policy at the dive shops I've visited. If your diveshop = is an asshole about this, then it's time to move on. <BR> </FONT><BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica">Personally I believe that if you are proficient at m= ixing nitrox and are currently mixing it on a regular basis, there is no rea= son one earth why you can't shitcan your nitrox wrist computer, get DecoPlan= ner for your laptop and go trimix diving. It ain't rocket science, folks. <B= R> </FONT><BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica">Jim <BR> </FONT><BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica">On Wednesday, October 4, 2000, at 11:41 AM, Paul Bra= unbehrens wrote: <BR> </FONT><BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><I>No kidding! I'm doing it right now, adv. nitrox, = stage deco and</I></FONT> <BR> <BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><I>trimix just because I want to use He. It's actual= ly ironic that you</I></FONT> <BR> <BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><I>have to do a deco class to use trimix. It seems t= o me they are</I></FONT> <BR> <BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><I>separate subjects. You won't get a fill without i= t though.</I> <BR> </FONT><BR> <BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><I>Mcinnis, Don wrote:</I> <BR> </FONT><BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><I>~</I> <BR> </FONT><BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><I>>Bob,</I> <BR> </FONT><BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><I>></I> <BR> </FONT><BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><I>>What's the prerequisite in shingles needed to= get into it? Usually needed is</I> <BR> </FONT><BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><I>>the advanced nitrox, decompression techniques= , and then the "entry level</I> <BR> </FONT><BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><I>>trimix" course at least. All this for be= ing able to dive with a clear head</I> <BR> </FONT><BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><I>>between 70 and 150'. Scott's point all along = is there needs to be a "rec"</I> <BR> </FONT><BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><I>>HOTx course with something like a nitrox C-ca= rd pre-req to open up He to</I> <BR> </FONT><BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><I>>more people without having to go through 4 ex= tra courses (not to mention</I> <BR> </FONT><BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><I>>about $2000 or more) just to dive HOTx which = is by definition relatively</I> <BR> </FONT><BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><I>>shallow (less logistics) diving.</I> <BR> </FONT><BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><I>--</I></FONT> <BR> <BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><I>Paul Braunbehrens mailto:Bakalite@ba*.co*</I= > <BR> </FONT><BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><I>http://www.daw-mac.com Mailing list for digital a= udio on the mac</I> <BR> </FONT><BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><I>--</I> <BR> </FONT><BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><I>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `te= chdiver@aq*.co*'.</I> <BR> </FONT><BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><I>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver= -request@aq*.co*'.</I> <BR> </FONT><BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </BODY> </HTML> --MS_Mac_OE_3053541053_414336_MIME_Part-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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