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Guy, You are creating oxygen demons where there are none. Have you ever done any decompression diving ? I live in South Africa, thousands of miles away from the WKPP and surrounded by strokes of the worst order. Guess what, when I try the DIR techniques - they work. Including o2 for deco, o2 breaks to back gas and including back gas breaks in deco run time. Until you can come up with a meaningful contribution, I suggest, with all due respect, that you sit back and try to learn something. Simon Murray South Africa ----- Original Message ----- From: Guy Morin <xnet@vi*.ca*> To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*> Cc: Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 7:29 AM Subject: Re: WKPP + DECO > Trey, > > Thank you very much for the information. It is very > insightful. > > In regard to issues relating to what I may feel toward > your, or any other organization, let's all wake up to > the fact that this is irrelevant. I have certainly not sought > any form of gratification in entering this debate, and > had no illusions in regard to the impact on my popularity. > It was a worthwhile sacrifice, and a very small one at > that, to finally come to some form of consensus, and > to debunk what were flagrant myths on this list as to > the very practices of the organization. While the myths > in question were raised by proponents of the organization, > these folks didn't receive anywhere near the criticism that > I have endured. These myths we have already agreed > upon, believe it or not, as is evident in reading through > the noise. > > Yes, it is a fact that people will be sensitized to the > choices pertaining to their deco, especially with the information > provided over a number of interesting posts. Also, it > seems that everyone who is relevant to the discussion > has indeed elucidated that using oxygen requires careful > consideration; it provides a lot of benefit, and there are > many factors to consider that relate to it's safe use. On > the practical side to the use of O2 at high PO2's a habitat > for oxygen decompression that provides protection for O2 > tox, is something one cannot carry on the dive boat, that is > also a reality. > > Across several posts from the organization's proponents, > it seems that I can find statements confirming that breaks > are not accounted for in the software. The organization > uses empirical data that is difficult to adapt for the diver > that is outside of the organization, best to consult said > organization to gain a deeper understanding, and a valid > application of the empirical data. It would be foolish to > attempt to do what the organization does without first > getting trained. This was the essence of my original post. > > Trey himself has confirmed the 12/6 spread I mentioned > in one of my posts. Other details I leave to the reader, who > can't see that oxygen requires no blending, and is always > accurate, duh? The oxygen window concept does not try > to invoke anything beyond the use of hyperoxic mixes. Using > oxygen is a tricky affair providing both benefit, and penalties, > that must be carefully managed. Taking breaks aims to restore > lung efficiency, not magically increase it. It increases it from > it's reduced state, thus restoring. The other minor ones > are also evident. > > The organization does a very specialized type of dive, > and using some very specialized techniques, and in a single > environment; these are factors when considering applying > these techniques outside that envelope. > > As you say, the reader is left to figure out whether the type > of specialization your organization exercises for it's dives > even applies in other environments. Now, more than before > this debate, it is possible for people to do just that. While > these things are spelled out on some of the web sites, > proponents of the organization did offer some questionable > insights, I refer simply to the residual tissue loading using > O2 that are the root of my contribution to the thread. Yet > the organization didn't so much as blink about those falsehoods. > > The points I raised were vigorously debated, and I > am satisfied with the outcome, again, it wasn't, and isn't, > personal. In the face of ridicule and derision, I succeeded > in keeping the dialog as courteous as possible, without placidly > enduring what was, at times, inappropriate behavior devoid > of social grace. As far as what is expressed by me, we > still hold freedom of expression as a fundamental right, > and at no time did I suggest a practice that might be construed > in any way as being dangerous, nor did I ever express that > I was an expert on any subject of my posts. I merely highlighted > some obvious oversights, and contradictions that I found > in the various posts. > > Finally several people have expressed similar concerns as > I did, and were served by the discussion. It is also too bad > for those who might have something to contribute, but didn't > in the face of poor social graces. > > It is too bad you are bitter about the result of the debate. > You claim victory, but have no satisfaction at that affirmation... > > My position was not one of win/lose; in this exchange, I think > everyone came out winning. Too bad some people are still angry; > time will heal your wounds. Realize that I am not here for your > liking, as you are not here for mine. I prefer to think that something > came out of this, if nothing more than getting people thinking, > without placing value on a particular organization, or person. > > Sincerely yours, > > Guy > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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