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Trey, Thank you very much for the information. It is very insightful. In regard to issues relating to what I may feel toward your, or any other organization, let's all wake up to the fact that this is irrelevant. I have certainly not sought any form of gratification in entering this debate, and had no illusions in regard to the impact on my popularity. It was a worthwhile sacrifice, and a very small one at that, to finally come to some form of consensus, and to debunk what were flagrant myths on this list as to the very practices of the organization. While the myths in question were raised by proponents of the organization, these folks didn't receive anywhere near the criticism that I have endured. These myths we have already agreed upon, believe it or not, as is evident in reading through the noise. Yes, it is a fact that people will be sensitized to the choices pertaining to their deco, especially with the information provided over a number of interesting posts. Also, it seems that everyone who is relevant to the discussion has indeed elucidated that using oxygen requires careful consideration; it provides a lot of benefit, and there are many factors to consider that relate to it's safe use. On the practical side to the use of O2 at high PO2's a habitat for oxygen decompression that provides protection for O2 tox, is something one cannot carry on the dive boat, that is also a reality. Across several posts from the organization's proponents, it seems that I can find statements confirming that breaks are not accounted for in the software. The organization uses empirical data that is difficult to adapt for the diver that is outside of the organization, best to consult said organization to gain a deeper understanding, and a valid application of the empirical data. It would be foolish to attempt to do what the organization does without first getting trained. This was the essence of my original post. Trey himself has confirmed the 12/6 spread I mentioned in one of my posts. Other details I leave to the reader, who can't see that oxygen requires no blending, and is always accurate, duh? The oxygen window concept does not try to invoke anything beyond the use of hyperoxic mixes. Using oxygen is a tricky affair providing both benefit, and penalties, that must be carefully managed. Taking breaks aims to restore lung efficiency, not magically increase it. It increases it from it's reduced state, thus restoring. The other minor ones are also evident. The organization does a very specialized type of dive, and using some very specialized techniques, and in a single environment; these are factors when considering applying these techniques outside that envelope. As you say, the reader is left to figure out whether the type of specialization your organization exercises for it's dives even applies in other environments. Now, more than before this debate, it is possible for people to do just that. While these things are spelled out on some of the web sites, proponents of the organization did offer some questionable insights, I refer simply to the residual tissue loading using O2 that are the root of my contribution to the thread. Yet the organization didn't so much as blink about those falsehoods. The points I raised were vigorously debated, and I am satisfied with the outcome, again, it wasn't, and isn't, personal. In the face of ridicule and derision, I succeeded in keeping the dialog as courteous as possible, without placidly enduring what was, at times, inappropriate behavior devoid of social grace. As far as what is expressed by me, we still hold freedom of expression as a fundamental right, and at no time did I suggest a practice that might be construed in any way as being dangerous, nor did I ever express that I was an expert on any subject of my posts. I merely highlighted some obvious oversights, and contradictions that I found in the various posts. Finally several people have expressed similar concerns as I did, and were served by the discussion. It is also too bad for those who might have something to contribute, but didn't in the face of poor social graces. It is too bad you are bitter about the result of the debate. You claim victory, but have no satisfaction at that affirmation... My position was not one of win/lose; in this exchange, I think everyone came out winning. Too bad some people are still angry; time will heal your wounds. Realize that I am not here for your liking, as you are not here for mine. I prefer to think that something came out of this, if nothing more than getting people thinking, without placing value on a particular organization, or person. Sincerely yours, Guy -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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