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George-- who is this asshole? >---- Original Message --- >From: Guy Morin <xnet@vi*.ca*> >To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*> >Cc: techdiver@Aquanaut.Com >Subject: Re: 80/20 nonsense > >Trey wrote: > >> guy, et al, before we go into a discussion that is >> based on false beliefs , hearsay,.unsubstantiated >> methods, > >Funny, I think that's my line. > > >> and other theories that hold no water in >> real life or have any grip on the total physiology >> of decompression at all, why don't we first let you >> tell us what 15,000 man dive hours of decompression > >Are we talking about the famed U.S. Navy tables? >They have a great track record, don't they? Again, >this is just poor marketing Trey. The U.S. Navy >tables exceed this requirement of yours, yet have poor >reception in diving circles, apparently they have >poor statistics from a DCS incidence rate. Being >extensively tested is one thing. You don't happen >to have a URL for the statistics kept by WKPP, do you? > >> >> testing you have done on what were previous >> considered "extreme exposures", how you came to use >> the gases you use from those results,what if any >> decompression diving or experience with others doing >> the diving you have done or participated in ( and >> that goes for the punk mouth student who brought >> this up), and then what military, commercial and >> other data and experience you are drawing from , >> what Doppler results you got on these tests ( like >> we use ) > >Congratulations, we've also got a doppler, that was easy. >Fortunately, I don't claim to have such vast experience. >I am concerned with what I practice though, and with >what others have to share. In the end, what I, and most >other divers are left with in the real world are some theoretical >models, and pieces of software that assist us in planning >dives, fexibility really is an asset. Your claim to having >empirical data on decompression really doesn't help >anybody out here. This is just like all those custom tables >used by the oil industry, practically useless to the >decompression diver. "Darn, I don't have the Shell oil >deco schedule, I just have the Chevron." > >When the WKPP, or it's proponents, come up here >and put there stuff up for public display, and tell >folks they should be doing this way, or that way, >it doesn't come as a complete surprise that things >are going to be inspected in detail. > >The whole issue of breaks has never been dealt with. >It's another oversight in the model. Yes, the model is >one thing, and so on. But ask the decompression diver, >whether or not he is diving as per the WKPP method >and if he is using any empirical data from the WKPP, and >the answer, will likely be: No. > >> and then lets talk about what WORKS, and >> what does not. > >Funny, I seem to believe that many possible scenarios >work. Your camp seems to think only one scenario works. >I'm sure you folks are more reasonable than this. > >> >> >> Start there or go on over to the "decompression >> list" where they like to yap and banter in theory . >> People on here want to know what works in real life, >> what will hold up as their dives get bigger and they >> get outside of their dive class ,and what makes the >> most sense for all the right reasons. If you can't >> do that, you can step aside and listen. > >Fine, I'll join the list. > >But tell us Trey, the major reason for the 50/100 decompression >regime is for logistical reasons, isn't it? Cost, time, effort, and >consistency of results. > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >-- >Guy -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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