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Dear Phi, Jt, List, etc, I live in Australia. A metric country for over half my life time. I am agonizing over this, that is to put depths in metres. O2, MOD 6m. Bye, Jeff the Darwinian.At 20:12 14/08/00 -0400, you wrote: > Phi Le > very cautious with what goes on during the predive and dive. Ok, so there >was 2 questions if you want to count that last one, the answer is Yes. ;-) > > JT > > At 01:48 AM 8/15/00 +0200, Phi Le wrote: > JT, > > I don't know you nor MHK, and don't care if either of you guys use alu 80. >The people I dive with don't use alu 80 as stages in the ocean. When I am >visiting Florida, I use 2 X alu 40 for 50% and O2. At home (Europe or >Asia), I use 2 X alu 7L. And that's more than enough for down to 300 ft. > > Ask George if he uses alu 80 for the ocean dives! > > I wasn't stabbing at you. I didn't understand why any Capt or divers (not >my buddies) would care how I mark my stages or what gas I have in my tanks >(providing I don't do deep air, etc.). I don't dive with them eventhough we >go out on the same boat since I would have my buddies. And if they need to >grab a bottle in case of emergency, the content is marked by tape at the >tank neck. > > "" after the MOD. > > That's not some DIR party-lines, JT. It's just common sense! And stop been >so damn defensive, not everybody is looking to flame other people. > > I re-read mine, and there were actually 2 questions :-) > > -Phi >> -----Original Message----- From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] >>Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 1:33 AM To: Phi Le Cc: >>techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: RE: re vb tech report >> >> Phi Le "", forgive my poor taste in words. >> >> Hint: nobody is diving 80cf aluminum stages in the ocean so you are >>barking up the wrong tree there. The rest of the post is too stupid to >>read. where he directs the NE divers to go look, it is the same thing I >>posted. BTW, I took your question as a stab at me, reread yours and will >>see you only ask one real question, the rest was standard DIR answers, >>statements no questions at all. >> >> At 03:15 PM 8/10/00 -0400, Trey wrote: JJ, my opin. is that XXXXXXXXX >>needs to go to http://www.wkpp.org and read my DIR configuration "" and >>then explain that to XXXXX and the others. This in cludes our bottle >>marking scheme which is at the heart of gas diving. >> >> We can not have an intelligent discussion until that effort is made, >>and we can not expect XXXXXXX or anyone else to think that wearing some >>wing or some bottle on some side means anything without this explanation. >> >> >> >> At 12:12 AM 8/15/00 +0200, Phi Le wrote: JT, "" ? ""-bullshit. >>Why do you think that anyone want to sniff anyone else's butt ? People >>are on this list to exchange information. So if you have nothing to >>share, then STFU, stop pretending like you do and waste everybody's time. >>I don't have time to trade insults with you. Just re-read your posting >>below and ask somebody to explain DIR to you, you have no clue of what >>you are trying to slam. Hint: nobody is diving 80cf aluminum stages in >>the ocean so you are barking up the wrong tree there. The rest of the >>post is too stupid to read. -Phi -----Original Message----- From: >>Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 >>10:13 PM To: Phi Le Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: RE: re vb tech >>report "" is this site or others who are doing nothing more than sniffing >>GI butt with this same copied info. Stages should be aluminum 80's. >>Right off the bat they can see that GI is off his rocker, he has already >>told everyone not to change any of his system, they already know that it >>is much easier to carry a 45 steel stage than an eighty on a wreck dive. >>Alum 40's are better for wreck dives, easier to manage, but he does not >>say that in this on the site. These swing equally from negative to >>positive with air, less negative with gas, by the amount of the air or >>gas carried. They are rigged with stainless steel bolt snaps, the size >>of which is determined by whether or not your diving requires gloves, >>They have already figured this out also, except Brass will do at less >>cost, they dive cold water so they knew about the size for the gloves >>LONG before he did. " line run under a hose clamp halfway down the tank >>and tied to the neck. The upper clip should be tight to the break of the >>neck, the lower clip should have plenty of tail to work with. The bottle >>needs to be held close in the front and lose in the back to prevent >>drag. There should NEVER be any metal to metal connections of any part >>of your rig. This is something they would not know or understand, UNLESS >>you have scootered with stages and without. >> >> >> >> >> >> Stages need to be permanently marked as to their maximum operating >>depth in three inch high letters placed horizontally in the orientation >>of the tank on either side so that the diver can see what he is >>breathing, and so can his buddy, no mater where the tank is. The stage >>reg is rigged with a short pressure gauge which is bent back on itself >>to face the diver and held in place by bungee cord at the first stage, >>The reg hose must be the octopus length. The stage regs are always >>parked on the bottle and the bottle turned off unless in use. Stages are >>generally worn on the left side for streamlining, and because of the >>position and balance of the rest of the gear and the other hoses so as >>not to interfere with the operation of any other gear, as well as the >>scooter , which is driven with the right hand, favoring the right side. >> , deal with what their doing now. Breathing correct gas is good, easy to >>see what your breathing. >> >> To deploy a stage, we look for the correct depth marking, we put the >>reg around our neck, we then turn on the bottle , put the reg in our >>mouth, and if we can breath, we are breathing the correct gas. It is >>just that simple. No other convolutions are necessary, and would only add >> to the chance for error. Yes it is very simple, but you need to put it >>out so they can understand it and why they should do it. " marking work >>very well for our group here, for the very deep dives I like to have my >>stages delivered to me, my name and MOD are on them , it also puts the >>support diver with me to make sure everything is OK. "MOD just get one >>that matches what I need. This can be done on any dive, if a diver is low >>on needed gas all he has to do is point to the MOD and his name, that way >>we know who is in trouble. Also makes it is easy for the crew to locate >>extra gas for him if everyone is marking their tanks the same way, it is >>not a CF trying to read those little bullshit tags that fall off. Phi Le >> I will only answer one of those bullshit questions below. >> >> >> >> >> >> At 04:07 PM 8/14/00 +0200, Phi Le wrote: JT, >> >> So you feel there is an issue that people might be mistaken for a stage >> marked for 60 ft as EAN60. That's a possibility... >> >> But why would the Capt and other divers be worrying about *my* stages ? > BECAUSE WE CARE! > > > > > > Obviously I will be diving with my buddies who would know what the >markings mean. The stage(s) will be with me u/w so no one will breath it >without my knowledge. > > If someone wants to use them in case of an emergency on the boat, the >oxygen "" and the rest has the content analysis tape at the neck. > > Am I still missing something ? > > -Phi > > -----Original Message----- From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] >Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 3:32 PM To: Phi Le Cc: >techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: RE: re vb tech report > > > > > > There is no better system than what the WKPP use at this time, but as a >Capt and diver on boats that carry numerous divers on trips who have no >idea what the markings mean, I have added FT(= feet) to my stages so there >is no confusion on their part. If one does not like the FT he can simply >cover it up with the rubber intertube as JJ did to my tanks he used when >they were here. > > " MOD works for us later post. > > At 01:44 PM 8/14/00 +0200, you wrote: ><> ><> >The 2 big things we >do not agree on are: >>2) Reasons why you mark stages... ><> > >JT, > >>Why do you disagree with it ? > >And since you are marking stages >differently, you must feel that your way is >better. Could you elaborate >on your *better* system ? > >-Phi > > >"" > & more > http://www.capt-jt.com/ > captjt@mi*.co* > > >"" > & more > http://www.capt-jt.com/ > captjt@mi*.co* > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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