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Gary's book is not the only source of my information, I also have read=20 Robert D. Ballards' book on the "Lusitania" he refers to "Gregg Bemis" in= =20 it. There are also web sites about "Gregg Bemis". I also entertained the idea of diving the "Lusitania" and did some checking= =20 with Peter Hess who handled the case here in Norfolk, Virginia USA for Gary= =20 against Bemis , Below is what he told me. JT To dive the LUSEY requires no payment to Bemis, but it is now an Irish "Heritage Zone" for which a permit is required. No artifacts may be (legally) recovered.Peter Hess I also asked him about the "Fitz" which I am considering diving, but=20 getting a solid answer from anyone on if it is protected is hard to get. I= =20 have checked with several locals and they say it is protected, but cannot=20 produce any facts to prove it. Maybe someone one this list has something=20 other than hear say. I do not want to take anything from these wrecks=20 except the "memory" of diving them. It would be very foolish thinking about= =20 recovering something from past 500ft on scuba. JT The Fitz is in Canadian waters. Although some of the relatives of her crew don't want the wreck dived, there is no legal prohibition against access= that I am aware of. I have an attorney colleague in Ontario, Steve Yormak, who might be better able to answer you (I have copied him on these EMails). Good luck o brass-balled one, I later was invited to join an expedition to the "Lustitania" , the person= =20 heading the trip was told by "Gregg Bemis" that there would be a FEE to=20 dive the wreck. I'm not to sure how the expedition was finally canceled, but info was=20 told to me that the trip leader was unable to get the permit from "Kevin=20 Gurr". But this part could be wrong. The trip leader is on this list so he= =20 will either post I'm wrong or email me in private and I will correct that=20 part. No answer on his part means it's true. All these people who claim to own and control these wrecks do so for MONEY= =20 or power. The "Monitor" here is no better, controlled by those whos' real=20 job is not protecting the wreck, but are really protecting their job by=20 having control. Meaning if they did not have control, then they could not=20 justify their paycheck. I guess this stuff should get something going on here other Mr. Blacks'= crap. At 06:15 PM 7/19/00 -0400, Art.Paltz@R2*.CO* wrote: >I think both mine and JT's information are based on information contained= in >Gary's book chronicling the lucitania and the court case that followed. I >know a few of the people that were on the trip mentioned in the book and >have attended quite a few lectures on the subject in addition to talking to >Gary personally. We both were making reference to the Lucitania. Again,= if >it's not the same guy then I'll shut up. If it is I doubt the guy has >changed. > >Art. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Lundgren [SMTP:rikard.lundgren@sw*.se*] > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 6:08 PM > To: Paltz, Art; Olle.Welander@hi*.se*; TechDiver@aquanaut.com > Subject: SV: Estonia > > Art and JT, you sure spread a lot of BS without have any= information >regarding this issue. > > Richard > ----- Ursprungligt meddelande ----- > Fr=E5n: <Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*> > Till: <Olle.Welander@hi*.se*>; <TechDiver@aquanaut.com> > Skickat: den 19 juli 2000 15:52 > =C4mne: RE: Estonia > > > > I agree with JT on this one. He's probably planning to make= money >charge > > people to dive on it. Based on the lack of information he's >provided on the > > Lusitania I can't see him doing much in the way of uncovering >anything > > related to the sinking of the Estonia. > > > > Art. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Capt JT [SMTP:captjt@mi*.co*] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 5:10 PM > > To: Olle Welander; 'TechDiver@aquanaut.com' > > Subject: Re: Estonia > > > > If it is the same "Gregg Bemis", who claims to own the rights to >the > > > > "Lusitania", I would take a guess and say he will not be diving= it > > himself > > if it is deeper than a pool. It will be dived by others in his >name > > and I > > would guess he is doing it for a purpose like MONEY, I would >suggest > > that > > you read "Gary Gentiles" books on the "Lusitania" which gives > > insight to > > "Gregg Bemis" character during the court case. That is if we are > > talking > > about the same man. > > > > At 12:17 PM 7/18/00 +0200, Olle Welander wrote: > > >Does anyone know anything about an american named "Gregg= Bemis"?? > > >What types of dives/buissness has he been ivolved in before? > > > > > >I am asking since he is planning to conduct a diving operation= on > > the > > >passenger ship "Estonia" that sank in 1994 taking something= like > > 800 people > > >with it. It lies 70 to 80 meters deep in the baltic see and is > > considered a > > >grave and diving is forbidden on Estonia. However since USA >hasn't > > signed > > >the papper proclaiming Estonia a grave site and since she lies= i > > >international waters little can be done to legal stop Gregg= Bemis > > from doing > > >his dives. > > > > > >The swedish goverment is objecting, but a majority of the >relatives > > to the > > >victims have contacted Gregg, saying they support him in his >atempt > > to find > > >the reason Estonia sank. > > > > > >If anyone knows anything about this Gregg Bemis, I'm wondering >why > > he wants > > >to do the dives and where he gets the money to do it. I figure >that > > someone > > >who is willing to spend large amounts of money for this type of > > diving, > > >either hope to get it back or is somehow personally involved in >the > > >catastrophy. I'd like to know what makes this Gregg tick. > > > > > >About the Estonia catastrophy: > > >http://www.multi.fi/estonia/ > > > > > >regards > > >/Olle > > >-- > > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to >get > > in the > > water" > > Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ > > Email captjt@mi*.co* > > > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to >`techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the= =20 water" Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ Email captjt@mi*.co* -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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