Sean you will find vent plugs on the predator scooters.  So tell it to them.

Greg Z.

"Sean T. Stevenson" wrote:

> Greg, that comment about the vent plug is too funny - conclusive proof
> that you have no clue about u/w equipment engineering.  I'd quit while
> you're ahead - MJB hates competition.
>
> -Sean
>
> On Sun, 9 Jul 2000 07:53:58 -0400, Trey wrote:
>
> >Greg, you are so fucking stupid it is embarrassing.
> >You have no earthly idea what you are talking about in
> >any of this.
> >
> >The motors in my scooters are wound to an RPM and
> >torque.I will not tell you or anyone else how or why
> >they hold their torque or speed while getting the burn
> >time,but will say that they run at 24 volts, not 36,
> >you lying piece of shit.
> >
> >None of your other inane comments are even close to
> >true,not even about Bill Stone, and do not apply to my
> >scooters. Some may apply to the bullshit copies out
> >there,or to the bullshit that Bill Stone drew up, but
> >not to mine or to what Stone actually did. Stone had a
> >whole different set of problems that I will not ever
> >reveal, nor will I discuss why what works on a
> >Farralon or an Aqauzepp will not work with mine.With
> >idiots like you out there dispensing advice, all of my
> >secrets are safe.
> >
> >Again, you dumb asshole,when any of you come up with a
> >scooter that has my track record , I'll buy ten of
> >them.
> >
> >You have never seen one of my old ones let alone the
> >new version, and you ignore the reality of their use
> >and track record, while failing to realize that there
> >is nothing out there that can claim the same.
> >
> >You have no clue about in water designs, and you have
> >no idea here I get my information or why I know what I
> >know. You are so severely outclassed here it is
> >ridiculous. IDIOT is what you are , and you keep
> >proving it over and over.
> >
> >You are truly one seriously stupid human being-I can
> >not think of anyone I have ever run across that is as
> >dumb as you are and is not under supervision or
> >incarcerated.
> >
> >This slop below is the most ridiculous crap I have
> >ever read. You could not pass  high school physics
> >class. Greg, you either are a blatant liar or an
> >imbecile - which is it?
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: gzambeck1 <gzambeck1@me*.ne*>
> >To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> >Cc: Robert Silvers <rsilvers@ph*.co*>;
> >techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >Date: Sunday, July 09, 2000 7:03 AM
> >Subject: Re: Anyone use AquaZepp Scooters?
> >
> >
> >>The motors are rewound for 26 volts and your running
> >36 volts through them.
> >>That was the problem at Wakulla II, They rewound the
> >motors and they stopped
> >>burning out.  Predator has done the same thing with
> >their units. Some units
> >>do not have overload protection on the circuit
> >boards.  This is the method
> >>that has been used in the past to increase speed.
> >>
> >>The face seal is machined close to the outer diameter
> >of the tube and
> >>bulkhead plate.
> >>This makes the unit easy to damage when the unit is
> >damaged.
> >>
> >>If anyone has any questions send me a fax number and
> >I will send you a set
> >>of prints.
> >>I will also post the ACAD. 14 drawings on a web site
> >to avoid the large
> >>message size.
> >>
> >>There are several other problems with the design.
> >>No vent plug to release the negative pressure.  Units
> >are assembled in warm
> >>air and the unit is cooled during the dive.
> >>
> >>Wedge pads are need to separate the nose plate and
> >the rear motor housing.
> >>
> >>The back plate is too thin and needs reinforcement.
> >>
> >>Pressure from dives can damage the rear motor plate
> >which holds the shaft
> >>bearing.
> >>The struts crack from the force applied to the
> >propeller shaft.
> >>
> >>The reduced pipe diameter for the motor interrupts
> >the flow from the battery
> >>tube.
> >>This section need to be tapered.  There are units out
> >with this change.
> >>
> >>I will include design notes with the drawings and the
> >engineering
> >>references.
> >>
> >>Greg Z.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Trey wrote:
> >>
> >>> Zambeck - this is all wrong. Quit posting it. I
> >>> can see that the term "Zambeck Stupid" is still
> >valid.
> >>> I heard you were dead, so maybe somebody else just
> >>> assumed your name and is carrying on in your place.
> >>>
> >>> There is only one scooter,only one price, and none
> >of
> >>> that is shown on the Halcyon web site. What is
> >shown
> >>> is an old version that I no longer make, a motor
> >>> option ( slow) that I no longer offer, and both the
> >>> long and short version ( which simply means the
> >body
> >>> and battery packs) are the same price.
> >>>
> >>> That price is 3500. The scooter is much different
> >than
> >>> what is shown, and due to the better design it
> >>> tolerates much more depth and goes faster, and is
> >made
> >>> with a computer program I wrote which saves enough
> >>> money that I can offer the rewound fast motor while
> >>> still lowering the overall price of the scooter by
> >250
> >>> dollars .
> >>>
> >>> If one were to want a diffrent body and battery
> >pack
> >>> those are both 400 only, or 300 and you buy
> >whatever
> >>> batteries you want.
> >>>
> >>> These are the scooters that we use in the WKPP, and
> >>> the sale of these devices to other teams and divers
> >>> outside of the WKPP helps support the WKPP.
> >>>
> >>> Greg, go fuck with somebody else - you should have
> >>> learned your lesson with me by now - most people
> >have.
> >>>
> >>> To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> >>> Cc: Robert Silvers <rsilvers@ph*.co*>;
> >>> techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >>> Date: Friday, July 07, 2000 5:45 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Anyone use AquaZepp Scooters?
> >>>
> >>> >Rob go to:
> >>> >
> >>> >http://www.halcyon.net/catalog.shtml
> >>> >
> >>> >look up gavin scooters
> >>> >
> >>> >ITEM                    DESCRIPTION
> >>> >PRICE
> >>> >HAL-DPV-SBS     Short Body 100 min  run time 135
> >fpm
> >>> $ 4385
> >>> >HAL-DPV-SBC     Short  Body  55 min run  time 200
> >fpm
> >>> $ 4695
> >>> >HAL-DPV-LBC     Long Body 100 min  run time 200
> >fpm
> >>> $ 4885
> >>> >HAL-DPV-STR     Cradle
> >>> >$  525
> >>> >
> >>> >Page 9 of 12
> >>> >
> >>> >Trey wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> They are not 4,000 .
> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>> >> From: Robert Silvers <rsilvers@ph*.co*>
> >>> >> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> ><techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >>> >> Date: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 4:56 PM
> >>> >> Subject: Anyone use AquaZepp Scooters?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >I am looking for a scooter or DPV and at this
> >>> point I am not planning on
> >>> >> >being a cave diver but you never know in a year
> >or
> >>> two. So, for open water
> >>> >> >casual/fun use, I am looking at Mako ($2000?),
> >>> AquaZepp LST-14-24 ($2400 +
> >>> >> >shipping and import duty), or Farallon mk7e
> >($3000
> >>> list). I know this is a
> >>> >> >Gavin group, but that is over $4,000 and out of
> >my
> >>> range for a new one. Any
> >>> >> >thoughts?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >    --Rob.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >--
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> >>> >>
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> >>
> >>Trey wrote:
> >>
> >>> Zambeck - this is all wrong. Quit posting it. I
> >>> can see that the term "Zambeck Stupid" is still
> >valid.
> >>> I heard you were dead, so maybe somebody else just
> >>> assumed your name and is carrying on in your place.
> >>>
> >>> There is only one scooter,only one price, and none
> >of
> >>> that is shown on the Halcyon web site. What is
> >shown
> >>> is an old version that I no longer make, a motor
> >>> option ( slow) that I no longer offer, and both the
> >>> long and short version ( which simply means the
> >body
> >>> and battery packs) are the same price.
> >>>
> >>> That price is 3500. The scooter is much different
> >than
> >>> what is shown, and due to the better design it
> >>> tolerates much more depth and goes faster, and is
> >made
> >>> with a computer program I wrote which saves enough
> >>> money that I can offer the rewound fast motor while
> >>> still lowering the overall price of the scooter by
> >250
> >>> dollars .
> >>>
> >>> If one were to want a diffrent body and battery
> >pack
> >>> those are both 400 only, or 300 and you buy
> >whatever
> >>> batteries you want.
> >>>
> >>> These are the scooters that we use in the WKPP, and
> >>> the sale of these devices to other teams and divers
> >>> outside of the WKPP helps support the WKPP.
> >>>
> >>> Greg, go fuck with somebody else - you should have
> >>> learned your lesson with me by now - most people
> >have.
> >>>
> >>> To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> >>> Cc: Robert Silvers <rsilvers@ph*.co*>;
> >>> techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >>> Date: Friday, July 07, 2000 5:45 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Anyone use AquaZepp Scooters?
> >>>
> >>> >Rob go to:
> >>> >
> >>> >http://www.halcyon.net/catalog.shtml
> >>> >
> >>> >look up gavin scooters
> >>> >
> >>> >ITEM                    DESCRIPTION
> >>> >PRICE
> >>> >HAL-DPV-SBS     Short Body 100 min  run time 135
> >fpm
> >>> $ 4385
> >>> >HAL-DPV-SBC     Short  Body  55 min run  time 200
> >fpm
> >>> $ 4695
> >>> >HAL-DPV-LBC     Long Body 100 min  run time 200
> >fpm
> >>> $ 4885
> >>> >HAL-DPV-STR     Cradle
> >>> >$  525
> >>> >
> >>> >Page 9 of 12
> >>> >
> >>> >Trey wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> They are not 4,000 .
> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>> >> From: Robert Silvers <rsilvers@ph*.co*>
> >>> >> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> ><techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >>> >> Date: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 4:56 PM
> >>> >> Subject: Anyone use AquaZepp Scooters?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >I am looking for a scooter or DPV and at this
> >>> point I am not planning on
> >>> >> >being a cave diver but you never know in a year
> >or
> >>> two. So, for open water
> >>> >> >casual/fun use, I am looking at Mako ($2000?),
> >>> AquaZepp LST-14-24 ($2400 +
> >>> >> >shipping and import duty), or Farallon mk7e
> >($3000
> >>> list). I know this is a
> >>> >> >Gavin group, but that is over $4,000 and out of
> >my
> >>> range for a new one. Any
> >>> >> >thoughts?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >    --Rob.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >--
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> >>> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
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