Greg, that comment about the vent plug is too funny - conclusive proof
that you have no clue about u/w equipment engineering.  I'd quit while
you're ahead - MJB hates competition.

-Sean


On Sun, 9 Jul 2000 07:53:58 -0400, Trey wrote:

>Greg, you are so fucking stupid it is embarrassing.
>You have no earthly idea what you are talking about in
>any of this.
>
>The motors in my scooters are wound to an RPM and
>torque.I will not tell you or anyone else how or why
>they hold their torque or speed while getting the burn
>time,but will say that they run at 24 volts, not 36,
>you lying piece of shit.
>
>None of your other inane comments are even close to
>true,not even about Bill Stone, and do not apply to my
>scooters. Some may apply to the bullshit copies out
>there,or to the bullshit that Bill Stone drew up, but
>not to mine or to what Stone actually did. Stone had a
>whole different set of problems that I will not ever
>reveal, nor will I discuss why what works on a
>Farralon or an Aqauzepp will not work with mine.With
>idiots like you out there dispensing advice, all of my
>secrets are safe.
>
>Again, you dumb asshole,when any of you come up with a
>scooter that has my track record , I'll buy ten of
>them.
>
>You have never seen one of my old ones let alone the
>new version, and you ignore the reality of their use
>and track record, while failing to realize that there
>is nothing out there that can claim the same.
>
>You have no clue about in water designs, and you have
>no idea here I get my information or why I know what I
>know. You are so severely outclassed here it is
>ridiculous. IDIOT is what you are , and you keep
>proving it over and over.
>
>You are truly one seriously stupid human being-I can
>not think of anyone I have ever run across that is as
>dumb as you are and is not under supervision or
>incarcerated.
>
>This slop below is the most ridiculous crap I have
>ever read. You could not pass  high school physics
>class. Greg, you either are a blatant liar or an
>imbecile - which is it?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gzambeck1 <gzambeck1@me*.ne*>
>To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
>Cc: Robert Silvers <rsilvers@ph*.co*>;
>techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>Date: Sunday, July 09, 2000 7:03 AM
>Subject: Re: Anyone use AquaZepp Scooters?
>
>
>>The motors are rewound for 26 volts and your running
>36 volts through them.
>>That was the problem at Wakulla II, They rewound the
>motors and they stopped
>>burning out.  Predator has done the same thing with
>their units. Some units
>>do not have overload protection on the circuit
>boards.  This is the method
>>that has been used in the past to increase speed.
>>
>>The face seal is machined close to the outer diameter
>of the tube and
>>bulkhead plate.
>>This makes the unit easy to damage when the unit is
>damaged.
>>
>>If anyone has any questions send me a fax number and
>I will send you a set
>>of prints.
>>I will also post the ACAD. 14 drawings on a web site
>to avoid the large
>>message size.
>>
>>There are several other problems with the design.
>>No vent plug to release the negative pressure.  Units
>are assembled in warm
>>air and the unit is cooled during the dive.
>>
>>Wedge pads are need to separate the nose plate and
>the rear motor housing.
>>
>>The back plate is too thin and needs reinforcement.
>>
>>Pressure from dives can damage the rear motor plate
>which holds the shaft
>>bearing.
>>The struts crack from the force applied to the
>propeller shaft.
>>
>>The reduced pipe diameter for the motor interrupts
>the flow from the battery
>>tube.
>>This section need to be tapered.  There are units out
>with this change.
>>
>>I will include design notes with the drawings and the
>engineering
>>references.
>>
>>Greg Z.
>>
>>
>>
>>Trey wrote:
>>
>>> Zambeck - this is all wrong. Quit posting it. I
>>> can see that the term "Zambeck Stupid" is still
>valid.
>>> I heard you were dead, so maybe somebody else just
>>> assumed your name and is carrying on in your place.
>>>
>>> There is only one scooter,only one price, and none
>of
>>> that is shown on the Halcyon web site. What is
>shown
>>> is an old version that I no longer make, a motor
>>> option ( slow) that I no longer offer, and both the
>>> long and short version ( which simply means the
>body
>>> and battery packs) are the same price.
>>>
>>> That price is 3500. The scooter is much different
>than
>>> what is shown, and due to the better design it
>>> tolerates much more depth and goes faster, and is
>made
>>> with a computer program I wrote which saves enough
>>> money that I can offer the rewound fast motor while
>>> still lowering the overall price of the scooter by
>250
>>> dollars .
>>>
>>> If one were to want a diffrent body and battery
>pack
>>> those are both 400 only, or 300 and you buy
>whatever
>>> batteries you want.
>>>
>>> These are the scooters that we use in the WKPP, and
>>> the sale of these devices to other teams and divers
>>> outside of the WKPP helps support the WKPP.
>>>
>>> Greg, go fuck with somebody else - you should have
>>> learned your lesson with me by now - most people
>have.
>>>
>>> To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
>>> Cc: Robert Silvers <rsilvers@ph*.co*>;
>>> techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>> Date: Friday, July 07, 2000 5:45 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Anyone use AquaZepp Scooters?
>>>
>>> >Rob go to:
>>> >
>>> >http://www.halcyon.net/catalog.shtml
>>> >
>>> >look up gavin scooters
>>> >
>>> >ITEM                    DESCRIPTION
>>> >PRICE
>>> >HAL-DPV-SBS     Short Body 100 min  run time 135
>fpm
>>> $ 4385
>>> >HAL-DPV-SBC     Short  Body  55 min run  time 200
>fpm
>>> $ 4695
>>> >HAL-DPV-LBC     Long Body 100 min  run time 200
>fpm
>>> $ 4885
>>> >HAL-DPV-STR     Cradle
>>> >$  525
>>> >
>>> >Page 9 of 12
>>> >
>>> >Trey wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> They are not 4,000 .
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: Robert Silvers <rsilvers@ph*.co*>
>>> >> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
><techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>> >> Date: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 4:56 PM
>>> >> Subject: Anyone use AquaZepp Scooters?
>>> >>
>>> >> >I am looking for a scooter or DPV and at this
>>> point I am not planning on
>>> >> >being a cave diver but you never know in a year
>or
>>> two. So, for open water
>>> >> >casual/fun use, I am looking at Mako ($2000?),
>>> AquaZepp LST-14-24 ($2400 +
>>> >> >shipping and import duty), or Farallon mk7e
>($3000
>>> list). I know this is a
>>> >> >Gavin group, but that is over $4,000 and out of
>my
>>> range for a new one. Any
>>> >> >thoughts?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >    --Rob.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >--
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>>
>>Trey wrote:
>>
>>> Zambeck - this is all wrong. Quit posting it. I
>>> can see that the term "Zambeck Stupid" is still
>valid.
>>> I heard you were dead, so maybe somebody else just
>>> assumed your name and is carrying on in your place.
>>>
>>> There is only one scooter,only one price, and none
>of
>>> that is shown on the Halcyon web site. What is
>shown
>>> is an old version that I no longer make, a motor
>>> option ( slow) that I no longer offer, and both the
>>> long and short version ( which simply means the
>body
>>> and battery packs) are the same price.
>>>
>>> That price is 3500. The scooter is much different
>than
>>> what is shown, and due to the better design it
>>> tolerates much more depth and goes faster, and is
>made
>>> with a computer program I wrote which saves enough
>>> money that I can offer the rewound fast motor while
>>> still lowering the overall price of the scooter by
>250
>>> dollars .
>>>
>>> If one were to want a diffrent body and battery
>pack
>>> those are both 400 only, or 300 and you buy
>whatever
>>> batteries you want.
>>>
>>> These are the scooters that we use in the WKPP, and
>>> the sale of these devices to other teams and divers
>>> outside of the WKPP helps support the WKPP.
>>>
>>> Greg, go fuck with somebody else - you should have
>>> learned your lesson with me by now - most people
>have.
>>>
>>> To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
>>> Cc: Robert Silvers <rsilvers@ph*.co*>;
>>> techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>> Date: Friday, July 07, 2000 5:45 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Anyone use AquaZepp Scooters?
>>>
>>> >Rob go to:
>>> >
>>> >http://www.halcyon.net/catalog.shtml
>>> >
>>> >look up gavin scooters
>>> >
>>> >ITEM                    DESCRIPTION
>>> >PRICE
>>> >HAL-DPV-SBS     Short Body 100 min  run time 135
>fpm
>>> $ 4385
>>> >HAL-DPV-SBC     Short  Body  55 min run  time 200
>fpm
>>> $ 4695
>>> >HAL-DPV-LBC     Long Body 100 min  run time 200
>fpm
>>> $ 4885
>>> >HAL-DPV-STR     Cradle
>>> >$  525
>>> >
>>> >Page 9 of 12
>>> >
>>> >Trey wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> They are not 4,000 .
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: Robert Silvers <rsilvers@ph*.co*>
>>> >> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
><techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>> >> Date: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 4:56 PM
>>> >> Subject: Anyone use AquaZepp Scooters?
>>> >>
>>> >> >I am looking for a scooter or DPV and at this
>>> point I am not planning on
>>> >> >being a cave diver but you never know in a year
>or
>>> two. So, for open water
>>> >> >casual/fun use, I am looking at Mako ($2000?),
>>> AquaZepp LST-14-24 ($2400 +
>>> >> >shipping and import duty), or Farallon mk7e
>($3000
>>> list). I know this is a
>>> >> >Gavin group, but that is over $4,000 and out of
>my
>>> range for a new one. Any
>>> >> >thoughts?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >    --Rob.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >--
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