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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:07:16 +0200
From: mat.voss@t-*.de* (Matthias Voss)
To: Jeff Bentley <jeff@be*.co*>
CC: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>, MMikeodin@ao*.co*, rsilvers@ph*.co*,
     techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Argon in drysuit -- how much warmer?


Jeff Bentley schrieb:
> 
> You do not know the answer yet you question the
> hypothesis of someone else...

read again, try to understand, if not, learn something worthwhile.

> Prove it wrong or shut the f*ck up...

see lines above.
 
> DIR is based on results.

Oh, I thought it was based on good judgment. Good judgement comes from
bad experience. Bad experience comes from bad judgement. What state are
you in ?

>.. Not ding dongs sitting behind
> keyboards in their parents garage.

Left the garage 35 years ago. 
Dived in DIR configs since 20 yrs ago.
Wondering  in the first place why you  adhere keyboard use to your
parents garage. Must be well hidden enough to hide your red ears.

> I suggest you enroll in some type of IANTD/TDI course where
> the instroktor will s.y.d. and make you feel good.

Thats what I said . Red ears. Now cool down. You did not do something
reallly bad. 

- Mat

> Jeff
> 
> Matthias Voss wrote:
> >
> > Trey schrieb:
> > >
> > > This is totally ignorant bullshit.
> > Compared to your normal nomenclature, does this mean, you partially
> > agree ;-)?
> >
> >  Argon is a far
> > > superior gas for suit inflation than air or anything
> > > else, and it increases the effectiveness of
> > > Thinsulate insulation by 50%.
> >
> > This may right, espescially regarding thinsulate. But Mike compared
> > argon use regarding different types of breathing gas. Do temperature
> > losses add arithmetically, or in a logarithmic scale ?
> > according to most known laws or rather rules of perception ( Weber-
> > Fechner's, to name one), bodily reactions to pphysical changes are
> > measured in a decibel scale. Translated to heat-loss terms this would
> > mean, that even if your suit Isolation may be better, the loss by
> > expansion and conductivity of breathing gas outweighs the win .
> >
> > > If the suit floods at all, Argon and thinsulate
> > > combination is still better than regular insulation
> > > dry with no argon.
> >
> > Won't like to try out , but if it's right, is it because of argon
> > bubbles kept within the tissue ?
> >
> >
> > > You also have to flush the air out of the suit prior
> > > to the dive with argon.
> >
> > This seems to make a lot of sense, indeed.
> > regards
> > Matthias
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: MMikeodin@ao*.co* <MMikeodin@ao*.co*>
> > > To: rsilvers@ph*.co*
> > > <rsilvers@ph*.co*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > > <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > > Date: Monday, July 10, 2000 3:46 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Argon in drysuit -- how much warmer?
> > >
> > > Argon in an extra bottle makes only sense if you
> > > dive mix.
> > > As you need an extra gas for suit inflation.IMHO if
> > > you dive N2O2 only you
> > > won´t need argon.
> > > Even when diving mix I ´ld rather take air and eat
> > > some more pasta the night
> > > before than using argon.
> > > The suit should leave enough space to wear an G400
> > > undersuit.
> > > Check the undersuit, avoid a too loose fit of the
> > > undergarment as this is a
> > > major reason for migrating air in you drysuit.If the
> > > underwear is too wide
> > > bring it to the taylor and alter it to your needs.
> > > TLS+G400 should fit in a way that you can move
> > > without anyrestricions.
> > > If your dives last longer&it´s still cold although
> > > eating pasta+G400 it´s
> > > still time to think about argon inflation.
> > > Mike
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