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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:04:33 -0400
From: Jeff Bentley <jeff@be*.co*>
To: Matthias Voss <mat.voss@t-*.de*>
CC: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>, MMikeodin@ao*.co*, rsilvers@ph*.co*,
     techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Argon in drysuit -- how much warmer?
MV,

What the f*ck kind of question is this?

You do not know the answer yet you question the 
hypothesis of someone else...

Prove it wrong or shut the f*ck up...

DIR is based on results... Not ding dongs sitting behind
keyboards in their parents garage.

I suggest you enroll in some type of IANTD/TDI course where
the instroktor will s.y.d. and make you feel good.

Jeff


Matthias Voss wrote:
> 
> Trey schrieb:
> >
> > This is totally ignorant bullshit.
> Compared to your normal nomenclature, does this mean, you partially
> agree ;-)?
> 
>  Argon is a far
> > superior gas for suit inflation than air or anything
> > else, and it increases the effectiveness of
> > Thinsulate insulation by 50%.
> 
> This may right, espescially regarding thinsulate. But Mike compared
> argon use regarding different types of breathing gas. Do temperature
> losses add arithmetically, or in a logarithmic scale ?
> according to most known laws or rather rules of perception ( Weber-
> Fechner's, to name one), bodily reactions to pphysical changes are
> measured in a decibel scale. Translated to heat-loss terms this would
> mean, that even if your suit Isolation may be better, the loss by
> expansion and conductivity of breathing gas outweighs the win .
> 
> > If the suit floods at all, Argon and thinsulate
> > combination is still better than regular insulation
> > dry with no argon.
> 
> Won't like to try out , but if it's right, is it because of argon
> bubbles kept within the tissue ?
> 
> 
> > You also have to flush the air out of the suit prior
> > to the dive with argon.
> 
> This seems to make a lot of sense, indeed.
> regards
> Matthias
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MMikeodin@ao*.co* <MMikeodin@ao*.co*>
> > To: rsilvers@ph*.co*
> > <rsilvers@ph*.co*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Date: Monday, July 10, 2000 3:46 AM
> > Subject: Re: Argon in drysuit -- how much warmer?
> >
> > Argon in an extra bottle makes only sense if you
> > dive mix.
> > As you need an extra gas for suit inflation.IMHO if
> > you dive N2O2 only you
> > won´t need argon.
> > Even when diving mix I ´ld rather take air and eat
> > some more pasta the night
> > before than using argon.
> > The suit should leave enough space to wear an G400
> > undersuit.
> > Check the undersuit, avoid a too loose fit of the
> > undergarment as this is a
> > major reason for migrating air in you drysuit.If the
> > underwear is too wide
> > bring it to the taylor and alter it to your needs.
> > TLS+G400 should fit in a way that you can move
> > without anyrestricions.
> > If your dives last longer&it´s still cold although
> > eating pasta+G400 it´s
> > still time to think about argon inflation.
> > Mike
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