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From: "Scott" <scottk@hc*.co*>
To: "Tech list" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>, "Kent Lind" <klind@al*.ne*>
Subject: Re: Dive Master's Wanted
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:50:21 -0700
Understood.

Fishing boats have a crew that's like liquid. Here one day, gone the next.
Plus, if the Coasties catch anyone with dope, the owner could lose the boat.

I have pissed about 30 times in the last 5 to 7 years. I think its enough.
A work force like ours is pretty stationery, and I don't see any reason for
continued harassment and humiliation on the scale we deal with it, its
simply runaway paranoia. Also, the test's we have to take are to DOT
standards, and they cost about $150.00 a piece.

When working up on the slope, all your bags and personal stuff are x rayed
before you get through the terminal. Most of the guys I worked with up there
don't and wouldn't use, let alone on the job. This is a *little* different
work force than a fishing boat.

I understand very well how bad the drug problem is. I build guns and work on
guns for cops now days. Its a growth industry, with no horizon in sight. The
cops I know and talk to are split about 60-40 in favor of legalizing drugs
and taxing them. Make it like alcohol; You give it to kids, jail. You drive
under the influence, jail. You manufacture it illegally, jail. Anyone gets
hurt by you or your dope, jail. One of them said "If cocaine was legal, you
wouldn't be able to buy any of it in about a month, because there would be
no money in it. No one would be making millions smuggling it in, no one
would be getting killed over it, and the drug lords in Columbia would have
to get their money elsewhere."

Junkies are going to be junkies, no matter what. How about some of you guys
in Europe? I understand in Amsterdam they have a central park for the
junkies to congregate, and the "Good Humor" man rolls by twice a day and
gives them clean syringes, already loaded. Its cheaper for the society, as
they don't have the spread of aids, no OD's, no crime to score dope, no one
getting killed over dope, and the junkies are all right where they can be
watched.

Something has got to be better than what we are doing now, because what we
are doing now isn't working. Its simply filling prisons up with sick people,
and drug use is at an all time high (pun intended).

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Lind" <klind@al*.ne*>
To: "Tech list" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 3:57 PM
Subject: RE: Dive Master's Wanted


>
> > Here is the drug testing issue from my point of view.
> >
> > (Kent, you still live in Alaska, stop me when I am wrong)
>
> [long story snipped]
>
> Scott:  I haven't seen much random testing up here.  Most of the at-sea
> fisheries work on vessels and processors is short-term contract work.  You
sign
> a 2-4 month contract in Seattle, go do a physical and drug test, hop a
plane to
> Alaska, work at sea for for a couple months then hop a plane home.  Every
time
> you go back up it's usually a new contract and you repeat the process
except
> that you usually only have to do a physical once a year.  It's probably
very
> similar to the oil rig work in the Gulf of Mexico actually.
>
> When I was doing this, most of the big fisheries companies would send
their
> applicants to Ballard Hospital in Seattle to pee in a cup so on any given
day
> you might see a dozen or more fishermen sitting around the waiting room of
> Ballard Hospital waiting to pee in a cup.  Most of the boats also had
on-board
> drug test kits so if they hire anyone off the docks in Alaska the ship's
medic
> just does the test and sends off the results.  You don't even get to setp
onto
> any documented fishing boat or processor in Alaska without peeing in a
cup.
>
> Some of the bigger companies running factory trawlers or processors may
also do
> random tests.  I was always working as a Federal observer so I never had
to deal
> with that.
>
> As for the rest of your message about the injustice of it all.  You have
no
> argument from me.  I'm not an advocate of drug testing at all.  It rubs me
the
> wrong way just like it does you.  The only reason I started this thread
was to
> point out that drug testing was probably not something that the dive shop
in
> question thought up on their own.  It is required by law for companies
employing
> people at sea.
>
> But just because I'm uncomfortable about drug testing from a civil rights
> standpoint doesn't mean I think anyone should be working at sea under the
> influence of any kind of legal or illegal drug.  The Bering Sea is a
dangerous
> enough place to work without having to worry about whether that guy
operating a
> deck crane over your head in icy 20 ft seas is wasted or drunk.
>
> I will say this though.  Given what I've seen working at sea in the
industrial
> fishing industry, I am absolutely positive that drug and alcohol use would
be
> totally rampant were it not for drug testing and zero tolerance by the
> companies.  The industry has to be super hard-assed about it or drug use
would
> explode instantly.  The way it works now, you get caught smuggling drugs
or
> booze onto any factory trawler or processor in Alaska and you will find
your ass
> booted off immediately and with extreme prejudice.  None of this
counseling
> crap.  You will find youself standing on the dock of some lonely fishing
outpost
> on the Bering Sea without even a plane ticket home.  And that's the way it
> should be.  Most of the companies actually search allc crew members bags
for
> drugs, booze, and weapons before even letting them on board.  Like it or
not,
> that's how things are done in the world of industial fishing.
>
> Kent Lind
> Juneau, Alaska
>
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