Jim,

You got a way with words that cuts across all international and
socio-economic boundaries <G>!

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: John McMillan <mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*>; Techdiver Mailing List
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Weights


> Hey, Johnny I don't know what kind of diving you are doing "down under"
but
> the kind of diving we do up here, if you get to the point that you have to
> take your rig off during the dive, you are pretty much fucked, screwed,
> blued and tattooed, weightbelt or no.
>
> Is it just me or does this not seem rather obvious to the rest of the
list?
>
> Please refrain from further posts until you know what the fuck you are
> talking about.
>
>    Jim
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>
> > From: "John McMillan" <mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*>
> > Reply-To: "John McMillan" <mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*>
> > Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:30:13 +1000
> > To: "Techdiver Mailing List" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Subject: Re: Weights
> >
> > I read a lot of crap in the many posts that have been presented over the
> > last few days regarding weighting. Most of the suggestions have been
down
> > right bloody dangerous, stupid, and idiotic. Hey guys what happened to
> > keeping it simple. We should weight ourselves with out tanks harness etc
> > attached, just negative. if we are still negative with the tanks and
harness
> > etc on then we are correctly weighted. Using the traditional weight belt
is
> > the most effective way of doing this. Have a bloody good think about why
you
> > should be weighted this way before you make any comments. The guys that
want
> > to wear tank weights etc all over the place have a think about buoyancy
> > control if you have to take your gear off in water at depth. If and when
the
> > shit hits the fan and you have to do this with weights all over your
gear
> > "good luck".
> >
> > Hoo Roo
> > Johnny Mack
> > Down Under
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Walker <techdive@ea*.ne*>
> > To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 10:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: Weights
> >
> >
> >> Hell Cobber they give me a sore back.  I'd bet Mike Black (you know,
> > the
> >> guy that doesn't dive) would consider this a Type 2 DCS hit.
> >>
> >> Dr. John Walker
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>
> >> To: Al Marvelli <ajmarve@ba*.ne*>; Paul Braunbehrens
> >> <Bakalite@ba*.co*>
> >> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 9:02 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Weights
> >>
> >>
> >>> Weight belt for wetsuits. Weight belt fucks up the airflow in your
> > drysuit
> >>> and is a failure point. I hate weight belts.
> >>>
> >>> Jim
> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/
> >>>
> >>>> From: Al Marvelli <ajmarve@ba*.ne*>
> >>>> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:24:40 -0400
> >>>> To: Paul Braunbehrens <Bakalite@ba*.co*>
> >>>> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> >>>> Subject: Re: Weights
> >>>>
> >>>> I dont mean to flame Paul personally but I have to ask some simple
> >> questions
> >>>> here.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why is the weight belt not ideal? its cheap, easy to learn, and found
> >>>> everywhere.
> >>>>
> >>>> The belt gives you a built in failure indicator< if you are paying
> >> attnetion
> >>>> you can feel it slip, and thats easy to correct on your own> and if
> > its
> >>>> under you crotch stap has a built in anti ditch safety.
> >>>>
> >>>> and also
> >>>>
> >>>> what is the facination with non ditchable weight?
> >>>>
> >>>> especially on a rig that is limited to no stop diving by definition??
> >>>>
> >>>> I can understand its significance on a deco dive, but you all do
> > realize
> >>>> that if your worst fears come true and you undergo a buoyant ascent ,
> >> you
> >>>> are merely performing skills practice?? That evey agency has blow and
> > go
> >> as
> >>>> its last resort for ndl diving?
> >>>>
> >>>> have any of you removed your weights during a dive? what was the
> > result?
> >> I
> >>>> had my belt off three times in front of the class i was helping with
> >> tonite,
> >>>> no problem with an al 80 with an al plate and a 1/4 suit  in 12 ft of
> >> water,
> >>>> i had plenty of time to dump the bc and remain with my weight belt
> > with
> >> just
> >>>> a little effort. Are we all just not paying attention?
> >>>>
> >>>> worried about buckle failure? wear two.
> >>>>
> >>>> We are not even going to get into the pony bottle, but fyi my
> >> understanding
> >>>> of hogarthian means ultra minimal as in no reserve gas, even in
> >> overhead.
> >>>> and of course the bottle is unnecessary for anything, you can either
> >> blow
> >>>> and go or you cant and if you cant you need a real redundant system,
> > not
> >> 13
> >>>> freaking cu ft. This w/e i was forced to dive off the bow b/c the
> >> customers
> >>>> used up all the rack space with their pony bottles filled with nitrox
> >> too
> >>>> hot for the bottom< typical, they have all been hosed and regard dir
> > as
> >>>> internet bs>and then i had to endure the shop owners bitching about
my
> >>>> doubles being too much gear for the dives< which they were, but i
> > needed
> >>>> them empty and gas costs money so i aint freaking wasting it>so i am
> >> ready
> >>>> for all comers on this pony bullshit.
> >>>>
> >>>> You dont need a pony bottle unless you are solo diving without a
plan.
> >>>>
> >>>> Think it through people.
> >>>>
> >>>> Al Marvelli
> >>>>
> >>>> PS if those two quarry guys dont send me snail addresses ill never be
> >> able
> >>>> to mail them schedules and since i lost my inbox i dont havetheir e
> >>>> addresses, so get back to me fellas.
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul Braunbehrens wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> OK, I went through tons of archives last night, trying to get to the
> >>>>> bottom of this.  First, let me tell you my setup.  I'm diving a
> >>>>> backplate and wings, with a drysuit, and (for now) a single tank and
> >>>>> a pony bottle.  Leaving enough air in my suit so I can still move
and
> >>>>> do a safety stop at the end of a dive, I need 17 pounds on my belt
(I
> >>>>> dive in cold water).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Right now this weight is on my weight belt, which is ok but not
> > ideal.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Perusing the archives, it seems the consensus is to make a V weight
> >>>>> for at least some of this.  Let's say it will weigh about 9 Pounds.
> >>>>> This still leaves 8 pounds.  I could then either leave that on my
> >>>>> weight belt, or I could put it in the Halcyon weight pouches.  I
> >>>>> assume that when I go to doubles I won't need most of it anymore?
> >>>>> Also, DiveRite sells a "trim weight" that will fit between the bolts
> >>>>> on the backplate.  I was thinking of this as an option.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also, I read a lot of posts saying the canister light is 6 pounds
> >>>>> negative (or thereabouts).  Mine is 1.5 pounds negative, which means
> >>>>> I have to account for that weight somewhere.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One post I read which made a lot of sense, said that you should have
> >>>>> about 5 or 6 pounds of ditchable weight (if any).  When you ditch
> >>>>> your weight you don't want to become so positive as to end up in
> >>>>> lunar orbit.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would like to get as close to hogarthian as possible before moving
> >>>>> to doubles, so any help is appreciated.  I'm even moving my canister
> >>>>> back on my harness (I had it upside down and attached to the
> >>>>> backplate, but I find that it has a tendency to sit on the wiring
> >>>>> connection...not good).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
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