Since when does a P/V weight constitute weights "all over the place "???

Why is a weight belt more effective?  Why are you taking your gear off
underwater?
Think about this... Pressed Steel 104s + Drysuit + SS backplate = no
additional weight!
What do those guys do when they take off their gear underwater?  They don't.

Comfort-wise, I hate weight belts with a passion.  Getting rid of it will
provide more comfort, less wear on your exposure suit, and better airflow
through your drysuit.

Getting up off the bottom is easy... dive a balanced rig.

steve


----- Original Message -----
From: John McMillan <mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*>
To: Techdiver Mailing List <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: Weights


> I read a lot of crap in the many posts that have been presented over the
> last few days regarding weighting. Most of the suggestions have been down
> right bloody dangerous, stupid, and idiotic. Hey guys what happened to
> keeping it simple. We should weight ourselves with out tanks harness etc
> attached, just negative. if we are still negative with the tanks and
harness
> etc on then we are correctly weighted. Using the traditional weight belt
is
> the most effective way of doing this. Have a bloody good think about why
you
> should be weighted this way before you make any comments. The guys that
want
> to wear tank weights etc all over the place have a think about buoyancy
> control if you have to take your gear off in water at depth. If and when
the
> shit hits the fan and you have to do this with weights all over your gear
> "good luck".
>
> Hoo Roo
> Johnny Mack
> Down Under
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Walker <techdive@ea*.ne*>
> To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 10:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Weights
>
>
> >    Hell Cobber they give me a sore back.  I'd bet Mike Black (you know,
> the
> > guy that doesn't dive) would consider this a Type 2 DCS hit.
> >
> >     Dr. John Walker
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>
> > To: Al Marvelli <ajmarve@ba*.ne*>; Paul Braunbehrens
> > <Bakalite@ba*.co*>
> > Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 9:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: Weights
> >
> >
> > > Weight belt for wetsuits. Weight belt fucks up the airflow in your
> drysuit
> > > and is a failure point. I hate weight belts.
> > >
> > >    Jim
> > >  -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >  Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/
> > >
> > > > From: Al Marvelli <ajmarve@ba*.ne*>
> > > > Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:24:40 -0400
> > > > To: Paul Braunbehrens <Bakalite@ba*.co*>
> > > > Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Weights
> > > >
> > > > I dont mean to flame Paul personally but I have to ask some simple
> > questions
> > > > here.
> > > >
> > > > Why is the weight belt not ideal? its cheap, easy to learn, and
found
> > > > everywhere.
> > > >
> > > > The belt gives you a built in failure indicator< if you are paying
> > attnetion
> > > > you can feel it slip, and thats easy to correct on your own> and if
> its
> > > > under you crotch stap has a built in anti ditch safety.
> > > >
> > > > and also
> > > >
> > > > what is the facination with non ditchable weight?
> > > >
> > > > especially on a rig that is limited to no stop diving by
definition??
> > > >
> > > > I can understand its significance on a deco dive, but you all do
> realize
> > > > that if your worst fears come true and you undergo a buoyant ascent
,
> > you
> > > > are merely performing skills practice?? That evey agency has blow
and
> go
> > as
> > > > its last resort for ndl diving?
> > > >
> > > > have any of you removed your weights during a dive? what was the
> result?
> > I
> > > > had my belt off three times in front of the class i was helping with
> > tonite,
> > > > no problem with an al 80 with an al plate and a 1/4 suit  in 12 ft
of
> > water,
> > > > i had plenty of time to dump the bc and remain with my weight belt
> with
> > just
> > > > a little effort. Are we all just not paying attention?
> > > >
> > > > worried about buckle failure? wear two.
> > > >
> > > > We are not even going to get into the pony bottle, but fyi my
> > understanding
> > > > of hogarthian means ultra minimal as in no reserve gas, even in
> > overhead.
> > > > and of course the bottle is unnecessary for anything, you can either
> > blow
> > > > and go or you cant and if you cant you need a real redundant system,
> not
> > 13
> > > > freaking cu ft. This w/e i was forced to dive off the bow b/c the
> > customers
> > > > used up all the rack space with their pony bottles filled with
nitrox
> > too
> > > > hot for the bottom< typical, they have all been hosed and regard dir
> as
> > > > internet bs>and then i had to endure the shop owners bitching about
my
> > > > doubles being too much gear for the dives< which they were, but i
> needed
> > > > them empty and gas costs money so i aint freaking wasting it>so i am
> > ready
> > > > for all comers on this pony bullshit.
> > > >
> > > > You dont need a pony bottle unless you are solo diving without a
plan.
> > > >
> > > > Think it through people.
> > > >
> > > > Al Marvelli
> > > >
> > > > PS if those two quarry guys dont send me snail addresses ill never
be
> > able
> > > > to mail them schedules and since i lost my inbox i dont havetheir e
> > > > addresses, so get back to me fellas.
> > > >
> > > > Paul Braunbehrens wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> OK, I went through tons of archives last night, trying to get to
the
> > > >> bottom of this.  First, let me tell you my setup.  I'm diving a
> > > >> backplate and wings, with a drysuit, and (for now) a single tank
and
> > > >> a pony bottle.  Leaving enough air in my suit so I can still move
and
> > > >> do a safety stop at the end of a dive, I need 17 pounds on my belt
(I
> > > >> dive in cold water).
> > > >>
> > > >> Right now this weight is on my weight belt, which is ok but not
> ideal.
> > > >>
> > > >> Perusing the archives, it seems the consensus is to make a V weight
> > > >> for at least some of this.  Let's say it will weigh about 9 Pounds.
> > > >> This still leaves 8 pounds.  I could then either leave that on my
> > > >> weight belt, or I could put it in the Halcyon weight pouches.  I
> > > >> assume that when I go to doubles I won't need most of it anymore?
> > > >> Also, DiveRite sells a "trim weight" that will fit between the
bolts
> > > >> on the backplate.  I was thinking of this as an option.
> > > >>
> > > >> Also, I read a lot of posts saying the canister light is 6 pounds
> > > >> negative (or thereabouts).  Mine is 1.5 pounds negative, which
means
> > > >> I have to account for that weight somewhere.
> > > >>
> > > >> One post I read which made a lot of sense, said that you should
have
> > > >> about 5 or 6 pounds of ditchable weight (if any).  When you ditch
> > > >> your weight you don't want to become so positive as to end up in
> > > >> lunar orbit.
> > > >>
> > > >> I would like to get as close to hogarthian as possible before
moving
> > > >> to doubles, so any help is appreciated.  I'm even moving my
canister
> > > >> back on my harness (I had it upside down and attached to the
> > > >> backplate, but I find that it has a tendency to sit on the wiring
> > > >> connection...not good).
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers,
> > > >>
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