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Jim:
Had the same problem here. I'm uncircumcised and some what looseskinned.
Plus I have 1-2 hours drive to the dive site. SOOooo, I had two options-
indwelling cath (ouch) and diapers. I discovered one more- it's called a
Maguire urinal. Rubber sheath, which snaps to a suspensory to help hold it
in place. It has an inner sheath that you trim for size. Much more comfy,
reuseable, no adhesive to stick or give way at the wrong time. Check with a
chemist's or invalid supply.
hope this helped
dive safe and dry
Brock
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Burke
To: Fabricio Rosas Tariki ; wgrogan@dc*.ne* ; dmdalton ; Aquanaut
Techdiver ; Trey ; Paul Wright
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 3:04 AM
Subject: Re: P-valves
The recent thread on the subject inspired me to go out and get myself one.
The mix diving we do here in NE Scotland doesn't have the run times of some
of the tropical or warm cave stuff, our run times are typically 60 to 90
minutes, but most of our diving is RIB based (that's Rigid Hull Inflatable
to those who haven't used them). This involves long trips out to the dive
site with drysuit on so I can spend up to 4 or 5 hours a day with my drysuit
on. Getting in and out of the suit for a P in a tossing boat is a pain in
the arse, I also have to stop hydrating an hour or so before the dive to
save accidents and can't hydrate on deco stops. A P-valve would make things
alot easier.
The thread was on the EE so I got one of those.
First try yesterday - absolute disaster, despite changing the catheter
after the first failure. Three P's, all down the left leg. One very wet
left leg.
Any suggestions as to how I can rig the catheter and tube assembly so that
it doesn't slide off on the way out to the dive site. No jokes about the
size of the catheter, it fits perfectly, in fact it is a bit tight.
Also, any suggestions as to where I can source the catheter's in the UK.
I foolishly thought that they were reusable so I only got a few from EE.
Cheers
Jim
The diving we do here in NE Scotland
----- Original Message -----
From: Fabricio Rosas Tariki
To: wgrogan@dc*.ne* ; dmdalton ; Aquanaut Techdiver ; Trey ; Paul Wright
Sent: 09 June 2000 19:44
Subject: Re: P-valves
Thanks for all the replies. This list is VERY valuable information
source, even with guys like Blackmd trying so hard....
As Paul had mentioned, my concern is to remove any substrate (aka. piss
residues) that could support bacteria grown (as in a culture media), not
disinfect the piss. Sorry, I didn't express myself correctly.
Best regards,
Fabricio
-----Mensagem original-----
De: Paul Wright <paul@ca*.co*.uk*>
Para: wgrogan@dc*.ne* <wgrogan@dc*.ne*>; dmdalton
<dmdalton@qu*.ne*>; Fabricio Rosas Tariki <frtariki@or*.co*.br*>;
Aquanaut Techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Data: Sexta-feira, 9 de Junho de 2000 13:22
Assunto: Re: P-valves
I agree about the powdery residue issue but in general the solution
need be
only fairly weak rather than saturated so that residue from
evaporation will
be minimal, also, being easily dissolved the residue should go back
into
solution as soon as you use the catheter again. There are drawbacks to
many
things. As for urine being sterile and an antiseptic, it is true up to
a
point (no pun intended) however, it is also a rich source of nutrients
so
that bacteria grow in urine from outside contamination very quickly.
The
ideal ecologically sound solution would be to urinate through the
catheter
then within an hour or so rinse with fresh water, no extra
contaminants into
the environment in that case.
It just dawned on me that this is a group of adults delighting in
talking
about having a pee..........makes a change from football I suppose.
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2> Jim:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> Had the same problem here. I'm=20
uncircumcised and some what looseskinned. Plus I have 1-2 hours drive to =
the=20
dive site. SOOooo, I had two options- indwelling cath (ouch) =
and diapers. I=20
discovered one more- it's called a Maguire urinal. Rubber sheath, which =
snaps to=20
a suspensory to help hold it in place. It has an inner sheath that you =
trim for=20
size. Much more comfy, reuseable, no adhesive to stick or give way at =
the wrong=20
time. Check with a chemist's or invalid supply.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>hope this helped</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>dive safe and dry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Brock</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> <SPAN id=3D__#Ath#SignaturePos__></SPAN> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:monteach@gl*.co*.uk*" =
title=3Dmonteach@gl*.co*.uk*>Jim=20
Burke</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:frtariki@or*.co*.br*" =
title=3Dfrtariki@or*.co*.br*>Fabricio=20
Rosas Tariki</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:wgrogan@dc*.ne*"=20
title=3Dwgrogan@dc*.ne*>wgrogan@dca.net</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:dmdalton@qu*.ne*" =
title=3Ddmdalton@qu*.ne*>dmdalton</A> ;=20
<A href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com" =
title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com>Aquanaut=20
Techdiver</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*"=20
title=3Dtrey@ne*.co*>Trey</A> ; <A =
href=3D"mailto:paul@ca*.co*.uk*"=20
title=3Dpaul@ca*.co*.uk*>Paul Wright</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 11, 2000 =
3:04 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: P-valves</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D2>The recent thread on the =
subject=20
inspired me to go out and get myself one. The mix diving we do =
here in=20
NE Scotland doesn't have the run times of some of the tropical or warm =
cave=20
stuff, our run times are typically 60 to 90 minutes, but most of our =
diving is=20
RIB based (that's Rigid Hull Inflatable to those who haven't used =
them). =20
This involves long trips out to the dive site with drysuit on so =
I can=20
spend up to 4 or 5 hours a day with my drysuit on. Getting in =
and out of=20
the suit for a P in a tossing boat is a pain in the arse, I also have =
to stop=20
hydrating an hour or so before the dive to save accidents and can't =
hydrate on=20
deco stops. A P-valve would make things alot =
easier.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D2>The thread was on the EE so =
I got one of=20
those.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D2>First try yesterday - =
absolute disaster,=20
despite changing the catheter after the first failure. Three =
P's, all=20
down the left leg. One very wet left leg.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D2>Any suggestions as to how I =
can rig the=20
catheter and tube assembly so that it doesn't slide off on the way out =
to the=20
dive site. No jokes about the size of the catheter, it fits =
perfectly,=20
in fact it is a bit tight.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D2>Also, any suggestions as to =
where I=20
can source the catheter's in the UK. I foolishly thought that =
they were=20
reusable so I only got a few from EE.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D2>Jim</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D2>The diving we do here in NE =
Scotland=20
</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:frtariki@or*.co*.br*"=20
title=3Dfrtariki@or*.co*.br*>Fabricio Rosas Tariki</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
href=3D"mailto:wgrogan@dc*.ne*"=20
title=3Dwgrogan@dc*.ne*>wgrogan@dca.net</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:dmdalton@qu*.ne*" =
title=3Ddmdalton@qu*.ne*>dmdalton</A> ;=20
<A href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com"=20
title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com>Aquanaut Techdiver</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*" title=3Dtrey@ne*.co*>Trey</A> ; =
<A=20
href=3D"mailto:paul@ca*.co*.uk*" =
title=3Dpaul@ca*.co*.uk*>Paul=20
Wright</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 09 June 2000 =
19:44</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re:
P-valves</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for all the =
replies. This=20
list is VERY<STRONG></STRONG> valuable information source, even with =
guys=20
like Blackmd trying so hard....</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D2>As Paul had =
mentioned, my concern=20
is to remove any substrate (aka. piss residues) that could support =
bacteria=20
grown (as in a culture media), not disinfect the piss. Sorry, I =
didn't=20
express myself correctly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Fabricio</FONT> </DIV>
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style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>-----Mensagem =
original-----</B><BR><B>De:=20
</B>Paul Wright <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:paul@ca*.co*.uk*">paul@cartergreen.co.uk</A>><BR>=
<B>Para:=20
</B><A href=3D"mailto:wgrogan@dc*.ne*">wgrogan@dca.net</A>
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:wgrogan@dc*.ne*">wgrogan@dca.net</A>>; dmdalton =
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:dmdalton@qu*.ne*">dmdalton@quixnet.net</A>>; =
Fabricio=20
Rosas Tariki <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:frtariki@or*.co*.br*">frtariki@originet.com.br</A>>=
;=20
Aquanaut Techdiver <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A>><BR>=
<B>Data:=20
</B>Sexta-feira, 9 de Junho de 2000 13:22<BR><B>Assunto:
</B>Re:=20
P-valves<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>I agree about the powdery
residue =
issue but=20
in general the solution need be<BR>only fairly weak rather than =
saturated=20
so that residue from evaporation will<BR>be minimal, also, being =
easily=20
dissolved the residue should go back into<BR>solution as soon as =
you use=20
the catheter again. There are drawbacks to many<BR>things. As for =
urine=20
being sterile and an antiseptic, it is true up to a<BR>point (no =
pun=20
intended) however, it is also a rich source of nutrients =
so<BR>that=20
bacteria grow in urine from outside contamination very quickly.=20
The<BR>ideal ecologically sound solution would be to urinate =
through the=20
catheter<BR>then within an hour or so rinse with fresh water, no =
extra=20
contaminants into<BR>the environment in that case.<BR><BR>It
just =
dawned=20
on me that this is a group of adults delighting in =
talking<BR>about having=20
a pee..........makes a change from football I=20
suppose.</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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