Paul

>What I am saying is that DIR is sound as far as it goes, but, the concept
>has to be varied for environments, what suits a cave in Florida is not ideal
>for kitting up in a five foot swell in the English channel. Even more so
>trying to de-kit in a five foot swell and get back onto a rib.

I emailed you some months back correcting this information when you last
posted it.  I regularly dive in the English Channel, sometimes as much as 40
miles out and in interesting conditions.  On one boat we have the luxury of
being able to remove our kit and have it winched aboard, together with our
stages.  I can get out of the equipment as fast if not faster than someone in
alternative equipment.

> I have tried
>a single piece harness and in the tidal conditions here I found it
>unsuitable, there are divers in the UK who follow the single piece harness,
>I'm sorry but I have a permanent shoulder injury <snip>

What you are saying is that *you* have a problem due to *your* shoulder
injury.  Making sweeping statements about DIR based on *your* disability is
at best less than helpful.  I respect your tenacity and desire to overcome
these limitations but please do not denounce the DIR system as a result of
them.  If due to some physical limitation it is necessary to deviate from DIR
for you to safely pursue your hobby - fine, at least you are starting from a
sound platform - but it is not DIR.

There are two ways I know of for getting out of a harness.  The obvious way
is to put one of your hands through the webbing pulling out and around to get
the shoulder out.  This can be the left or right arm.  I'm surprised that you
can't achieve this with your good shoulder.

The second approach is to pull the whole setup over your head.  I don't wish
to offer any advice about this as I have only tried it in confined conditions
such as Stoney and we all know that things are never as easy in the real
world.

As has already been stated in reply to your message, if you have difficulty
getting out of a harness then you have the harness too tight. 

David Shimell
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office as above

-----Original Message-----
From:	Paul Wright [SMTP:paul@ca*.co*.uk*]
Sent:	Sunday, May 28, 2000 2:33 AM
To:	Jim Cobb; Tech Diver
Subject:	Re: Black is smarter than Bill Hamilton

Are we discussing this or resorting to insults as usual on this list?

What I am saying is that DIR is sound as far as it goes, but, the concept
has to be varied for environments, what suits a cave in Florida is not ideal
for kitting up in a five foot swell in the English channel. Even more so
trying to de-kit in a five foot swell and get back onto a rib. I have tried
a single piece harness and in the tidal conditions here I found it
unsuitable, there are divers in the UK who follow the single piece harness,
I'm sorry but I have a permanent shoulder injury and I cannot get out
of/into a single piece harness on a pitching deck so I use a Custom Divers
harness with adjustable straps, if this offends you then we have to ban all
divers with injuries or physical problems from entering the water. With my
current configuration which varies little from the DIR philosophy I can kit
and de-kit as fast so anyone else, with a DIR sacred rig I would be a
liability to other divers during a surface incident. This is not an attack
on DIR, it is a suggestion that the idea is good, but variation/addition to
suit the environment/diver is the reality of doing the right thing for the
environment.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: Paul Wright <paul@ca*.co*.uk*>; Tech Diver
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 2:02 AM
Subject: Re: Black is smarter than Bill Hamilton


> Sorry Paul, but DIR is a *system*. It is the sum of it's parts, you are
> either diving DIR or you are not. Why do you think that Hamilton promotes
> it? I suspect it's due to the high survival rates of divers who "do it
> right!" vs. those who "sort of do it right" or "do it right my way".
>
> This is one thing you boneheads out there keep missing. If you are not
using
> the system en-toto, the it's not the system. Why do you people have such a
> problem with that? If you take a airplane and remove the wings, it's not
an
> airplane anymore, is it? Call it whatever the hell you want but its not a
> fucking airplane. You dopes are arguing "you people who insist on wings
> being on an airplane are a bunch of lock-stepping zealots." Do you all
> understand how stupid you sound?
>
> Paul, you takes bits and pieces and create your own bastardized version of
> DIR but don't go calling it DIR. Call "Pauls personal rig" or "Pauls way
to
> fuck up a good thing". In truth, I don't give a crap how you rig your gear
> or how anybody else rig's their gear. It makes no difference to me or
> anybody else who strives for DIR.
>
> Sabe? Capish? Anybody home?
>
>    Jim
>  -------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/
>
> > From: "Paul Wright" <paul@ca*.co*.uk*>
> > Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 01:53:41 +0100
> > To: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>, "Tech Diver"
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Subject: Re: Black is smarter than Bill Hamilton
> >
> > Sorry, Jim, he said something like DIR, not blind obedience to DIR, only
a
> > technical pint but it is different from your view. DIR is a sound
> > philosophy, as long as it evolves for environments.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
> > To: Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 7:41 PM
> > Subject: Black is smarter than Bill Hamilton
> >
> >
> >> Well, perusing the latest copy of DAN's Alert Diver magazine there is
an
> >> article, an interview, of Dr. Bill Hamilton, the worlds authority on
> >> technical and industrial deco/saturation diving, not to mention the
NASA
> >> space program. And I quote:
> >>
> >> Hillary Viders: I get the feeling that even if you had all the
requisites
> >> for extreme diving that you would still be a conservative diver.
> >>
> >> Bill Hamilton: Let's just say that I would be a very careful diver. I
> >> believe that all divers, no matter what their levels of experience,
should
> >> be extremely careful and should follows something like the D.I.R. (Do
It
> >> Right!) philosophy. If you're serious about diving, you have to invest
> > time
> >> and money, and you must have excellent equipment, training, discipline
and
> >> fitness.
> >>
> >> So forget what Bill Hamilton has to say, Black is smarter than him and
DIR
> >> is irrelevant, after all Hamilton is obviously a DIR clone robot.
> >>
> >> Uh, excuse me for a minute... AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,
OOOOOHOHOHAHAHEHEHEH!
> >>
> >> sniff, sniff, heheheh, Black you are such an asshole as are your
nameless,
> >> anonymous butt-buddies. Funny how none of them are jumping up to help
you
> > in
> >> your quixotic escapades here on Techdiver and rec.scuba. You are being
> > hung
> >> out to dry, you moron.
> >>
> >> Jim
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> >>
> >>
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