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Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 03:13:17 +0300
From: "Manos Manoli" <manos@ma*.co*.cy*>
To: "Case E. Harris" <diveman@cy*.co*>,
     Tech Diver
Subject: my point of view
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Harris ,
<p>Although your initial comment about the steels and wet suit i found
it to be so correct i disagree
<br>with your line  " I overlooked this, most logical, point and was
considering things from an open ocean standpoint. "
<p>Come on guys doesn't WKPP have equipment check for their support divers
? I need someone to stand on
<br>his feed and say " YES it was wrong this guy shouldn't be diving with
this setup " do we change our standards
<br>depending on how someone can resist cold or by his abilities to chimp
a cave ? My personal humble  opinion
<br>is that this pic should be removed.
<p>It was not long before i was called stroke for diving with my 15 liter
steels and wet suit.
<br>It all make sense to me then when George explained thats why i spend
$$$$ on Tls 350.
<p>It is not long ago when i got this from wkpp.. 
<p>If you are diving a wet suit, you should be diving aluminum tanks; never
<br>steel. These you could comfortably swim to the surface in the event
of a wing
<br>failure.  If you must dive steel the only way to ensure your safety
is by
<br>buying a dry suit.
<p>I should now by an anti-flame suit ....
<p>Manos.
<br> 
<br> 
<br> 
<br> 
<p>"Case E. Harris" wrote:
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<font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Okay,
after all the replies I've received, (some with a not so friendly tone...but
I'm used to that!) allow me to summarize and clarify. I realize the guy
must not need the extra warmth of a drysuit under the conditions (shallow,
cavern only, etc...) I was curious about the wetsuit with steels more from
a buoyancy standpoint.  Given a BC failure, the tanks make things
awful negative without the extra buoyancy of a drysuit...especially at
depth.</font></font> <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Trey
pointed
out (and only him... all my other flames have been how the guy can stand
the cold....) that one can crawl out of a cave, and the drysuit as backup
buoyancy is less important there than in the ocean.  Having never
been in a cave before, I overlooked this, most logical, point and was
considering
things from an open ocean standpoint.</font></font> <font
face="Arial"><font size=-1>So...the
subject line of my email, "photo CURIOSITIES," (not "photo CRITICISIMS")
was quite accurate, and now my curiosities are satisfied.... It apparantly
is okay to dive wet in steels as long as you can crawl out, and you're
not getting cold.  I agree... works for
me...</font></font> <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>(Uh-oh...
I'm rhyming... better lay off the coffee this
morning!)</font></font> <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>I've
attached some (names removed to protect the innocent) of the quotes I've
received... the last one will be dealt with
swiftly!</font></font> <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Case
Harris</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1><a
href="mailto:diveman@cy*.co*">diveman@cyberdude.com</a></font></font>&n
bsp;<font face="Arial"><font size=-1>someone
wrote:</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>I was there
observing
that weekend. True, he did wear a wetsuit, but</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>he was also diving at a max depth
of 50 feet while in a cavern and</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>never went into the
cave.</font></font> <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>someone
else wrote:</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>I bet you
a Pepsi
it won't be long till he is in</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>a DS.  You can get away wet
for
support dives but</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>once the deco starts, you best be
dry or freeze</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>your ass off!  70-72 degree
water
gets colder and</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>colder as you push the
clock.</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>someone different
wrote:</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Anyway
that was Mike Kane, I'm surprised he was even wearing a wetsuit
and</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>not just shorts and a t-shirt.
From
what I've seen of Mike, he has</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>antifreeze instead of
blood.</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>yet another person
wrote:</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Yeah,
but that's MHK. Throw it all out the window when dealing with
Mike.</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>He
dives up here in 42 degree water in a wetsuit, with no
hood.</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>The
guy is some kind of lizard.</font></font> <font
face="Arial"><font size=-1>and
the rudest of all wrote:</font></font><font face="Arial"><font
size=-1>you
dumbass... you don't need a drysuit in florida. If you had a fucking clue
about any of the diving we do down</font></font><font
face="Arial"><font size=-1>here,
you'd know the water is 70 plus degrees all the time, and a shorty is about
all that's needed.</font></font></blockquote>

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