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Wendall, it is even worse when the offender uses his "credentials" to support a bad position, as black does with his "MD" or Mouth does with his "resume". Just think if I were to start recommending deep air diving . -----Original Message----- From: wendell grogan <wgrogan@dc*.ne*> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Date: Friday, April 28, 2000 2:48 AM Subject: student expectations >Finally, Dr. Black's latest post helped me to understand George's >vehement responses to stupid ideas! >As I was thinking about the idea of letting one of my students- be they >medical students, interns, residents, or fellows- get away with a >medication error, it dawned on me... The reason why George and the >others get so pissy at times is the seriousness of their business. >I would never let one of my students pass if they got "most" of their >diagnosis or treatments right. When it comes to real, life and death >situations, 100% correct is the minimum standard! That is why poor >teaching practices and letting less than very knowledgeable students >pass is so wrong. Whether it is medicine, where other people die, or >technical diving, where at least one, if not several can die, perfection >is always required. >Granted, I don't offer to cut my medical students a new path for >defecation every time they don't know the right answer. But if you are >a senior fellow, if you don't get it right all the time, you don't get >out of my sight to blow your nose! >The same should go for diving. >Open water, look at the pretty fishes at 10 meters, kind of diving can >be alot more forgiving than 130 feet, 15 foot vis, 2 knot current Jersey >wreck diving. Real tech diving, be it 200+ foot Atlantic wrecks, or >deep penetration cave diving is a whole order of magnitude above that. >And therefor it is necessary that the instructor be that much more >exacting in his standards. >If you can't tell students that they can't cut it, get out of the biz. >Wendell Grogan, >(various degrees, professorships, etc.) > >Jim Cobb wrote: >> >> Oh, lord, dr. quack is back. You are so stupid you wouldn't know how to pour >> piss out of boot if the instructions were written on the heel. >> >> I thought we humiliated you over there in rec.scuba to the point that even >> your most stalwart zombie supporters now have doubts about the BS you spread >> around there. What's the matter, did the Zeagle crowd toss you out, and now >> you are back here, you ignorant moron? >> >> What I'd like you to tell me how many people fail a parachute training >> course by creating a cookie-cutter image of themselves on ground zero? In >> dive training this is a normal everyday occurrence which, apparently IANTD >> has no problem with. "A cost of doing business" as they say. I will bet your >> local medical supplies company does a banner business in white canes with >> you practicing in town. >> >> Jim >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ >> >> > From: "Michael J. Black" <mjblackmd@ya*.co*> >> > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:56:13 -0700 (PDT) >> > To: Aquanaut Mail <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >> > Cc: TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne* >> > Subject: Re: IANTD >> > >> > Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*> wrote: >> > >> >> IANTD. Christalmighty, Tom Mount, how can you let this shit out the >> >> door? >> > >> > Hey Tom, better have a look at this thread. The Cobber doesn't >> > understand how you, or any instructor, could be so negligent to >> > allow a student out the door, with a passing grade, who doesn't >> > understand absolutely everything you've taught him. Kindof like >> > me expecting every one of my patients to never miss a single dose >> > of medication, ever. I guess the Cobber expects you to hold >> > every student's hand, even after they've received a passing grade. >> > Bet you didn't know that you're supposed to be responsible FOR >> > your students' actions, besides being responsible TO them as an >> > instructor. Give it a rest Cobber, you're starting to look like >> > the moron you really are. MJB >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Send online invitations with Yahoo! 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