Good point. I missed that in my comments.
I grew up in a neighborhood where 75% of the parents
were Ivy League professors so someone trying to
support their opinions by spouting their credentials
was considered a major joke.  The rule was always
either back up your statements with facts/reasoned
opinions or shut up.
Wendell G

--- Trey <pina23@ne*.ne*> schrieb:
> Wendall, it is even worse when the offender uses his
> "credentials" to
> support a bad position, as black does with his "MD"
> or Mouth does with his
> "resume". Just think if I were to start recommending
> deep air diving .
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wendell grogan <wgrogan@dc*.ne*>
> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Date: Friday, April 28, 2000 2:48 AM
> Subject: student expectations
> 
> 
> >Finally, Dr. Black's latest post helped me to
> understand George's
> >vehement responses to stupid ideas!
> >As I was thinking about the idea of letting one of
> my students- be they
> >medical students, interns, residents, or fellows-
> get away with a
> >medication error, it dawned on me...  The reason
> why George and the
> >others get so pissy at times is the seriousness of
> their business.
> >I would never let one of my students pass if they
> got "most" of their
> >diagnosis or treatments right.  When it comes to
> real, life and death
> >situations, 100% correct is the minimum standard! 
> That is why poor
> >teaching practices and letting less than very
> knowledgeable students
> >pass is so wrong.  Whether it is medicine, where
> other people die, or
> >technical diving, where at least one, if not
> several can die, perfection
> >is always required.
> >Granted, I don't offer to cut my medical students a
> new path for
> >defecation every time they don't know the right
> answer.  But if you are
> >a senior fellow, if you don't get it right all the
> time, you don't get
> >out of my sight to blow your nose!
> >The same should go for diving.
> >Open water, look at the pretty fishes at 10 meters,
> kind of diving can
> >be alot more forgiving than 130 feet, 15 foot vis,
> 2 knot current Jersey
> >wreck diving.  Real tech diving, be it 200+ foot
> Atlantic wrecks, or
> >deep penetration cave diving is a whole order of
> magnitude above that.
> >And therefor it is necessary that the instructor be
> that much more
> >exacting in his standards.
> >If you can't tell students that they can't cut it,
> get out of the biz.
> >Wendell Grogan,
> >(various degrees, professorships, etc.)
> >
> >Jim Cobb wrote:
> >>
> >> Oh, lord, dr. quack is back. You are so stupid
> you wouldn't know how to
> pour
> >> piss out of boot if the instructions were written
> on the heel.
> >>
> >> I thought we humiliated you over there in
> rec.scuba to the point that
> even
> >> your most stalwart zombie supporters now have
> doubts about the BS you
> spread
> >> around there. What's the matter, did the Zeagle
> crowd toss you out, and
> now
> >> you are back here, you ignorant moron?
> >>
> >> What I'd like you to tell me how many people fail
> a parachute training
> >> course by creating a cookie-cutter image of
> themselves on ground zero? In
> >> dive training this is a normal everyday
> occurrence which, apparently
> IANTD
> >> has no problem with. "A cost of doing business"
> as they say. I will bet
> your
> >> local medical supplies company does a banner
> business in white canes with
> >> you practicing in town.
> >>
> >>    Jim
> >> 
>
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> >> > From: "Michael J. Black" <mjblackmd@ya*.co*>
> >> > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:56:13 -0700 (PDT)
> >> > To: Aquanaut Mail <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >> > Cc: TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*
> >> > Subject: Re:  IANTD
> >> >
> >> > Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> IANTD.  Christalmighty, Tom Mount, how can you
> let this shit out the
> >> >> door?
> >> >
> >> > Hey Tom, better have a look at this thread. 
> The Cobber doesn't
> >> > understand how you, or any instructor, could be
> so negligent to
> >> > allow a student out the door, with a passing
> grade, who doesn't
> >> > understand absolutely everything you've taught
> him.  Kindof like
> >> > me expecting every one of my patients to never
> miss a single dose
> >> > of medication, ever.  I guess the Cobber
> expects you to hold
> >> > every student's hand, even after they've
> received a passing grade.
> >> > Bet you didn't know that you're supposed to be
> responsible FOR
> >> > your students' actions, besides being
> responsible TO them as an
> >> > instructor.  Give it a rest Cobber, you're
> starting to look like
> >> > the moron you really are.  MJB
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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