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From: <RDecker388@ao*.co*>
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:58:02 EDT
Subject: Fwd: Instroketors WAS Re: Q about 02 fill whip experience
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
CC: Nauitec@ao*.co*

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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:56:33 EDT
Subject: Re: Instroketors WAS Re: Q about 02 fill whip experience
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In a message dated 4/30/00 6:50:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bdi@bd*.co*.au* 
writes:

> Bob, you got any evidence to support this outrageous
>  piece of blind optimism or are you just bullshitting and
>  hoping it's true?

Billy,

        It's not particularly blind optimism.  Over the years I have seen 
various agencies take actions when violations occur.  I have known 
instructors that were accused, sometimes rightfully, other times wrongfully, 
and have seen the resulting process in action.  A very easy piece of evidence 
to offer might be PADI's quarterly publication of quality assurance actions 
including the names of any expelled members. 

        As a more pertinent example, I'm attaching a CC I recieved from NAUI 
Tech Ops concerning the commentary that appeared on this list.  In all 
fairness, it's worth noting that my understanding is that to date, "Simon" 
has not bothered to file a formal complaint concerning this matter.

        Does every agency adamently police their membership and pursue 
complaints?  I don't have a clue, there are too many organizations to have 
personal knowledge of everyone.  Do politics, economics and friendships 
sometimes hinder the process?  Sure, I'm not nearly enough of an optimist to 
believe every reported violation is dealt with in a "squeaky clean" manner.  
After all, anytime humans are involved factors such as emotion and greed will 
play a role from time to time.  

        I'm also not so niave as believe that every bad instructor gets 
caught.  To be fair the agency dealing with the problem cannot simply act 
upon the accusation of one person.  The accused needs an opportunity to 
respond and other evidence needs to be gathered.  I have no doubt that some 
get away with things due to the apathy of their students (or lack of 
realization that they were "had") and a hesitation on the part of their peers 
to "snitch."

        Again, I'd like to emphasize that to date, the individual that 
suggested wrong doing in the matter addressed below has failed to follow 
through with a formal complaint to NAUI HQ.

Bob Decker
SportDiverHQ.com

*****CC from NAUI Tech******

Simon,
I have been forwarded your e-mail that went out to a chat line. I am most 
concerned about you account of a NAUI Technical Instructor and a NAUI 
Technical Training Center in South Africa. If you would be so kind as to put 
your account of this incident (bogus training) in a email message to me 
incuding the name of the facility and name of the instructor and the date 
that this took place, I will take care of it from here. Please indicate the 
agency exam that you were given as well as the what agency or xeroxed 
training materials were provided to you as well as the agency c-card issued 
to you. 
I will assure you that actions from this department are swift and 
irrevocable. We only have one center in South Africa and if what you have 
described is correct....we will have none very shortly after receipt of your 
formal complaint. Moreover any NAUI technical instructor that provides 
training as you described will have his/her technical authorization revoked 
immediatly. 

The NAUI Mixed Gas Blender and Oxygen Technician course is given in an 
academic powerpoint presentation that includes nitrox and trimix blending as 
well as techniques for oxygen servicing. This usually takes some 6 to 8 
hours. You should have been provided a NAUI Mixed Gas Blender and Oxygen 
Service Technician manual. You should have had appoximately 4 hours of bench 
time to include mixing trimix, nitrox, oxygen cleaning cylinders, valves, and 
regulators as well as documentation of the oxygen cleaning process. NAUI 
technical Operations views a blender as just that " a mixed gas blender" . We 
do not differentiate between nitrox, trimix, or heliox for the sake of 
another course. 
If this is not what you received, then you may take this course at this 
facility free of charge anytime you like. 

Thank you in advance to your attention to this matter. 

Best Regards
Timothy R. O'Leary
Director
NAUI Technical Operations

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