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From: <RDecker388@ao*.co*>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:40:13 EDT
Subject: Re: Instroketors WAS Re: Q about 02 fill whip experience
To: simonm@ho*.co*.za*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
CC: Nauitec@ao*.co*
Simon,

        I'm extremely sorry to hear about your experience.  I hope you 
reported it to Tim O'Leary at NAUI Tech Ops.  The fact is, any large agency 
is going to have a few slip through the cracks.  It's simply the nature of 
the beast.  All agencies set standards and do their best to police them.  But 
unfortunately human beings are sometimes swayed by friendships, business 
affiliations, money, etc.  It happens.  Until the guilty party gets caught, 
primarily via a student filing a complaint, the situation continues and the 
problem mushrooms.  The smaller the agency, the easier it is to maintain a 
strict quality control.  The larger the agency the tougher the job is.

    Frankly, I don't envy a job like Tom Mount's .  IANTD is a very large 
organization.  It didn't get that way by providing a bad service to 
customers.  The training I had with them and the instructors were quite 
thorough.  Still, I have no doubt some bad eggs exist.  I can only imagine 
that quality assurance is a nightmarish job.

    Look at PADI, while not particularly revelent to technical dive training, 
it is an enormous organization.  And we all know that there are a lot of 
instructors out there cutting corners, taking short-cuts and in general not 
doing their students justice.  They're difficult to catch.  The governing 
body can't just act upon the word of one person.  It takes some reasonable 
evidence for them to act upon the complaint.  Yet gathering such evidence is 
tough.  Most people have a "I don't wanna be a snitch" attitude.  Students 
usually don't have anything to compare to to know if they've "been had" or 
not, so they seldom file complaints.

    NAUI Tech Ops is certainly smaller, but I don't envy Tim O'Leary's job 
just the same.  GUE is smaller yet, but I wouldn't want JJ's job either.  The 
fact remains, the more fruit you have in the basket, the better the chance 
that there's a few rotten apples in the lot.

    The larger the organization the more difficult it is for the leaders to 
have a direct relationship with the "members."  It's impossible for them to 
know eveyone personally.  Still, when I've had a question or problem with 
NAUI Tech Ops, it's always been Tim O'Leary himself on the other end of the 
line.  Not some middle management person.  While not affiliated with IANTD, 
I've had many questions about that organization answered directly by Tom 
Mount.  That tends to give me the impression that these poeple do care and 
are trying.  I couldn't even imagine calling PADI HQ and getting a direct 
heart to heart with Cronin.

    As I've said before, there's more to this than the agency involved.  The 
instructor plays a major role in the quality of any training program. An 
agency can have the highest standards in the world and a bad instructor will 
still provide sub-standard program.  Pick the instructor, not the agency.  
This community is still realitively small.  It's not all that tough to get a 
a few recommendations concerning who's who.  If you do error and end up with 
a bad instructor, by all means report it.  While you may never know it, you 
may very well save someone their life by doing so.

Good luck,

Bob D.

****You wrote****

Bob,

I was staying out of this discussion as I would rather be learning about 
pulmonary tox and
deco schedules, but I couldnt resist.

>     In the technical diving field choosing a quality instructor is extremely
> important.  The agency of affilation can be a bit of an indicator, but it's
> certainly not the last word.  I know that both NAUI and GUE are pretty picky
> about who they endorse as technical instructors... i.e. that gives the
> potential student a clue.

My rec courses had been through NAUI so when I started out tech diving, I 
naively looked
for a NAUI tech center.  I found the only South African one listed in the 
NAUI.tec home
page, the head instroketor is, if I recall correctly, a NAUI technical 
instructor
instructor.  Included in the completely useless bundle of courses that I 
signed up for was
blender and gas mixer.

The course consisted of a photocopied set of notes and a 30 min demo at his 
nitrox
blending panel during which time I was told that at any moment, the whole 
thing could blow
sky-high and probably a total of 10 hours standing next to the compressor 
watching the
amount of helium being fed through it into the 300 bar cylinders.  Not a word 
about
compressibility of helium.  The exam was an old TDI paper....  So much for 
carefully
endorsed.

In the end, I never bothered to collect a single one of the many c-cards that 
I bought
from him.  I would be embarrassed to show them to anybody, you may as well 
have "Stroke"
tattooed on your forehead.

Simon

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