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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 05:37:48 -0400
From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
To: Scott <scottk@hc*.co*>, Jim Cobb <cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>,
     "Michael J. Blitch" ,
     Dan Volker ,
     Jess Armantrout , cavers@ca*.co*,
     techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Reality Sucks for the "old timers"
Let me add one serious "correction" to my comments here: I am NOT the
only one who "puts on the helmet" everyday, Jablosnki is the other one.
He started his own agency to do the battle and believe me when I tell
you that the worst of the worst strokes out there are doing eveything
they can do attempt to roadblock him, and it will not work because he is
right for the right reasons and they are "dead" wrong and have the body
count to prove it.

Also in the game are all of those who spend so much time trying to get
out real information in the face of constant harassment and confusion
out of the strokes. You guys are doing a great job, and one measure of
how good a job we are doing is by how much of a negative backlash we get
from the bottom feeders.

Trey wrote:
> 
> Guys , post this to rec scuba for me, as well as any other list that it
> needs to go on:
> 
>  I guess the last pot I smoked when I was 22 , or the last coke I did in
> 1984 or the last beer I had in 1987 is still effecting my mood, whereas
> those who want to criticize me, like Dustin or Giliam, can not make that
> claim. They can also not show a single dive equal to my weeniest dive,
> and certainly none of them can show a whole project and track record,
> not to mention several "world's records" for the last several years like
> I can, nor can they show a contribution to diving approximating what I
> have done and contributed at my own expense, and certainly none of them
> can make a case for anything as comprehensive or sensible as my "DIR"
> philosophy of diving, complete with details , reasons, and logic.
> 
>  Separately, our boy Black is not privy to the information that we have,
> and is misleading people with inaccurate, outdated , long ago proven
> wrong , NONSENSE, and is attacking me personally on a non diving basis
> as his only rationale for his reckless, irrepsonsible behavior. He will
> always find Gilliams, Dustins, Mouths and others anxious to do the same,
> anxious to discredit what they themselves can not do out of resentment
> and hatred.
> 
>  The really ridiculous thing about this hypocrite is that he is
> criticizing my "style" when his posts are embarrasing at best in their
> own "style". The fact is that the Giliams, Dustins, the Tom Mouths and
> Mike Blacks do not like me because I have no tolerance for any
> stupidity, diving or otherwise, amd point blank about it, and am totally
> willing to get out and argue it with them publicly , and it makes them
> look pretty bad, which of course is the whole issue here. I won't keep
> my mouth shut in the face of bullshit, like Glliam's deep air, or
> Mouth's endlsss crap, or Dustin's critcism of the WKPP, or Mike Black's
> insane pronouncements and practices.
> 
>  Mike Black need to be treated like the dangerous , unscrupulous,
> misinformed, irresponsible low life that he has proven he is willing to
> be in the pursuit of his personal dislike for me. So long as everyone
> can see how bad this guy has become, he is actually serving a good
> purpose - making bullshit look like bullshit, and making dangerous
> stupidity obviously so. Hopefully, this will serve to deter people from
> doing dumb things, and will give enough play to DIR to get people to go
> have a look for themselves at that logic and seek out the information we
> all want and need, which is so freely given away by the WKPP and its
> friends, at no cost , for no other reason other than to  give back what
> we have been lucky enough to recieve.
> 
>  Last Saturday Jarrod and I broke our own World Record at Wakulla by
> travelling further into the cave than our previous 18,065 feet ,
> decompressed out in less than 8 hours each, and once again showed new
> techniques and new technology in diving that we shared with the world.
> Our execution of this dive in one day using the WKPP team of pros sets
> the example once again of what can be done when it is DIR, while Mike
> Black and the rest continue to argue that I do now know what I am doing.
> 
>  The information we have assembled in the lsst ten years in this project
> is all available to anyone and everyone, and I encourage all of you who
> seek more knowledge in diving to check out the WKPP and DIR and GUE and
> their offerings and databases, and to avail yourselves of this in lieu
> of the commonly availble slop that is being shoved at you now. My stuff
> is all free other than the tapes which are cheap and sold through
> Extreme Exposure, so use it in the spirit in which I do it and offer it
> - to give you the benefit of what we all seek and have a tough time
> finding - the real good info that we all deserve.
> 
>  I hope you all can excuse my absolute hatred of the strokes out there -
> they spell death and destruction , and we are all in this for fun and
> pleasure - they are robbing us blind. If you can not excuse my feelings
> and passion about his, then at least just go look at the logic. You do
> not have to like me at all, it is not about me, it is about diving.I am
> just the only one who is willing to put on the helmet every day and go
> bash heads with these strokes. Take your pick. I am the one willing to
> be slandered and insulted by people who could not carry my dick,  and
> willing to put on the gloves, or take them off as it would be , with
> some of the worst influences in diving today, and some of the most
> institutionalized stupidity ever assembled in the name of "training" . I
> will win out over them in the long run, because I am right and they are
> wrong, and obviously , more and more people are seeing that, and these
> people will eventually be reviled as idiots as you are able to
> assimilate the information that we have assembled that we are willing to
> share so freely.
> 
> George Irvine
> Project Director
> Woodville Karst Plain Project ( WKPP )
> 
> Scott wrote:
> >
> > Well,
> >
> > Here is his latest stinky bait:
> >
> > <mjblackmd@my*.co*> wrote in message news:8cnlp9$mct$1@nn*.de*.co*...
> > > Amazing how Dustin Clesi silenced the DIR loudmouths on techdiver
> > > with his skewering of Mr. Irvine on Myths & Realities, dated 4/6/00:
> > > http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?41579,sub
> > > ject.  I have been looking at techdiver long enough to know that his
> > > information is right on target, corroborated by Tom Mount and others.
> > >
> > > Wasn't too surprised to learn that Mr. DIR himself has a history of
> > > substance abuse, given the mood swings and juvenile behaviors he often
> > > displays.  Then there's Scott, scottk@hc*.co*, who refers to illicit
> > > drugs in his rants (methamphetamine, crack cocaine, "what are you
> > > smoking doc, pass it around"), and who also displays mood swings, and
> > > juvenile behaviors suggestive of substance abuse.
> > >
> > > The question arises:  Does diving DIR lead to drug problems, or
> > > is having a drug problem first a requirement for diving DIR???  MJB
> >
> > He has been flamed mildly already, but I think we can do *much* better.
> >
> > Wonder why he doesn't post this to techdiver?
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>
> > To: "Scott" <scottk@hc*.co*>; "Michael J. Blitch"
> > <mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>; <trey@ne*.co*>; "Dan Volker" <dlv@ga*.ne*>;
> > "Jess Armantrout" <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 7:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: Reality Sucks for the "old timers"
> >
> > > OK, what the hell, fire away!
> > >
> > >    Jim
> 
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