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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:09:49 -0400
From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
To: Scott <scottk@hc*.co*>
CC: Jim Cobb <cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>,
     "Michael J. Blitch" ,
     Dan Volker ,
     Jess Armantrout , cavers@ca*.co*,
     techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Reality Sucks for the "old timers"
Guys , post this to rec scuba for me, as well as any other list that it
needs to go on:
 
 I guess the last pot I smoked when I was 22 , or the last coke I did in
1984 or the last beer I had in 1987 is still effecting my mood, whereas
those who want to criticize me, like Dustin or Giliam, can not make that
claim. They can also not show a single dive equal to my weeniest dive,
and certainly none of them can show a whole project and track record,
not to mention several "world's records" for the last several years like
I can, nor can they show a contribution to diving approximating what I
have done and contributed at my own expense, and certainly none of them
can make a case for anything as comprehensive or sensible as my "DIR"
philosophy of diving, complete with details , reasons, and logic.

 Separately, our boy Black is not privy to the information that we have,
and is misleading people with inaccurate, outdated , long ago proven
wrong , NONSENSE, and is attacking me personally on a non diving basis
as his only rationale for his reckless, irrepsonsible behavior. He will
always find Gilliams, Dustins, Mouths and others anxious to do the same,
anxious to discredit what they themselves can not do out of resentment
and hatred.

 The really ridiculous thing about this hypocrite is that he is
criticizing my "style" when his posts are embarrasing at best in their
own "style". The fact is that the Giliams, Dustins, the Tom Mouths and
Mike Blacks do not like me because I have no tolerance for any
stupidity, diving or otherwise, amd point blank about it, and am totally
willing to get out and argue it with them publicly , and it makes them
look pretty bad, which of course is the whole issue here. I won't keep
my mouth shut in the face of bullshit, like Glliam's deep air, or
Mouth's endlsss crap, or Dustin's critcism of the WKPP, or Mike Black's
insane pronouncements and practices.
 
 Mike Black need to be treated like the dangerous , unscrupulous,
misinformed, irresponsible low life that he has proven he is willing to
be in the pursuit of his personal dislike for me. So long as everyone
can see how bad this guy has become, he is actually serving a good
purpose - making bullshit look like bullshit, and making dangerous
stupidity obviously so. Hopefully, this will serve to deter people from
doing dumb things, and will give enough play to DIR to get people to go
have a look for themselves at that logic and seek out the information we
all want and need, which is so freely given away by the WKPP and its
friends, at no cost , for no other reason other than to  give back what
we have been lucky enough to recieve.

 Last Saturday Jarrod and I broke our own World Record at Wakulla by
travelling further into the cave than our previous 18,065 feet ,
decompressed out in less than 8 hours each, and once again showed new
techniques and new technology in diving that we shared with the world.
Our execution of this dive in one day using the WKPP team of pros sets
the example once again of what can be done when it is DIR, while Mike
Black and the rest continue to argue that I do now know what I am doing.

 The information we have assembled in the lsst ten years in this project
is all available to anyone and everyone, and I encourage all of you who
seek more knowledge in diving to check out the WKPP and DIR and GUE and
their offerings and databases, and to avail yourselves of this in lieu
of the commonly availble slop that is being shoved at you now. My stuff
is all free other than the tapes which are cheap and sold through
Extreme Exposure, so use it in the spirit in which I do it and offer it
- to give you the benefit of what we all seek and have a tough time
finding - the real good info that we all deserve.

 I hope you all can excuse my absolute hatred of the strokes out there -
they spell death and destruction , and we are all in this for fun and
pleasure - they are robbing us blind. If you can not excuse my feelings
and passion about his, then at least just go look at the logic. You do
not have to like me at all, it is not about me, it is about diving.I am
just the only one who is willing to put on the helmet every day and go
bash heads with these strokes. Take your pick. I am the one willing to
be slandered and insulted by people who could not carry my dick,  and
willing to put on the gloves, or take them off as it would be , with
some of the worst influences in diving today, and some of the most
institutionalized stupidity ever assembled in the name of "training" . I
will win out over them in the long run, because I am right and they are
wrong, and obviously , more and more people are seeing that, and these
people will eventually be reviled as idiots as you are able to
assimilate the information that we have assembled that we are willing to
share so freely.

George Irvine
Project Director
Woodville Karst Plain Project ( WKPP )

Scott wrote:
> 
> Well,
> 
> Here is his latest stinky bait:
> 
> <mjblackmd@my*.co*> wrote in message news:8cnlp9$mct$1@nn*.de*.co*...
> > Amazing how Dustin Clesi silenced the DIR loudmouths on techdiver
> > with his skewering of Mr. Irvine on Myths & Realities, dated 4/6/00:
> > http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?41579,sub
> > ject.  I have been looking at techdiver long enough to know that his
> > information is right on target, corroborated by Tom Mount and others.
> >
> > Wasn't too surprised to learn that Mr. DIR himself has a history of
> > substance abuse, given the mood swings and juvenile behaviors he often
> > displays.  Then there's Scott, scottk@hc*.co*, who refers to illicit
> > drugs in his rants (methamphetamine, crack cocaine, "what are you
> > smoking doc, pass it around"), and who also displays mood swings, and
> > juvenile behaviors suggestive of substance abuse.
> >
> > The question arises:  Does diving DIR lead to drug problems, or
> > is having a drug problem first a requirement for diving DIR???  MJB
> 
> He has been flamed mildly already, but I think we can do *much* better.
> 
> Wonder why he doesn't post this to techdiver?
> 
> Scott
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>
> To: "Scott" <scottk@hc*.co*>; "Michael J. Blitch"
> <mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>; <trey@ne*.co*>; "Dan Volker" <dlv@ga*.ne*>;
> "Jess Armantrout" <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 7:16 AM
> Subject: Re: Reality Sucks for the "old timers"
> 
> > OK, what the hell, fire away!
> >
> >    Jim

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