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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:46:55 +0000
To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
From: Michael Maibaum <mike@ma*.or*>
Subject: Re: Full Auto Snorkels
>Mike- Don't want to turn this into a gun debate, wrong forum, but...
>
me either ,if I hadn't had anything to say about the DINs I'd have kept my
mouth shut.

>>>
>>> You laugh at this? In Europe they already have a Nitrox special tank valve
>>> and regulator. I don't know what happens if they catch you with Nitrox (or,
>>> God help us, trimix) in a non-nitrox cylinder but at the very least the
>>> lawyers will have a field-day with it.
>> No we don't.....but there were/are some suggestions hanging around, think a
>> back to front Din with the female on the tank.  Stupid idea, it will never
>> go anywhere (at least I sincerely hope not)
>
>I thought that ScubaPro was already selling these units? Seems to me that I
>saw them in a catalog or perhaps the web page. If SP is selling them then
>perhaps the process is further along than you think.

Umm, I have a vague feeling they might be on sale somewhere on the
continent, maye Germany, but they've been around for at least a couple of
years and don't seem to have progressed, I really hope they don't go any
further than they are.


>>> Don't get me wrong, I keep my weapon in a rapid-access gun safe to keep it
>>> away from the kids, and believe that this should be the norm. But if it
>>> becomes a Federal Mandate, regulator locks here we come.
>>
>> I like living in the UK where no-one really feels the need to own a gun and
>> our murder rate is some minute fraction of yours.....
>> but having said that at least it sounds like yours is "safe" from misuse.
>
>Well, I'm glad to hear that the UK is such a crime and murder free society.
>The next time you see a Bobby, ask to look into the boot of his vehicle and
>then ask him why he needs all that weaponry in a "gun-less" society.

Hey, how may police need to carry guns in the US (basically all of them),
how many in the UK, a few in armed response vehicles, but a very small
percentage overall.  Of course there are some guns around, but a lot less
than in the US.  Of course we have crime, and murders to say otherwise
would be stupid, but we do have less gun crime, and I like the fact that
while in the US if you have some thug after you he may have a gun, in the
UK most of them won't.  And people don't have them in there houses (it
being illegal to have a gun (nearly, exceptions for farmers (shotguns,
small bore rifles) etc for shooting vermin) in the UK in your house, so no
accidents when the kids get the gun and blow there head off, or wander down
to the school and blow lots of other peoples heads off.

I don't object to your right to own a gun, especially as you have the good
sense to have it somewhere it can't get into kids hands, or be easily
stolen.  and given the number of guns in the "wrong" hands in the US I can
sort of understand the desire to have one of your own.  I don't think child
proof guns make much sense, usually I had to open the child proof asprin
for my mum when I was about 5.....
Sorry about getting so off topic, we can take this off list if you want,
but I don't think we have a big row here?

Mike
Michael Maibaum 		mike@ma*.or*
020 8 743 3668 (H)		020 8 383 2390 (W)
07803 070761   (M)
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