David,

I definitely owe you an apology... <sigh>
Six months...
Unbelievable.

The update was on a "Special" training bulletin (not the standard first
quarter bulletin) which was not sent to me.
In addition, I downloaded the .pdf Standards and Procedures document JUST
prior to answering your email to verify that
I had it right... except PADI didn't modify their Standards and
Procedures... just this *special* training bulletin.
Special indeed....

No defending this move.  It was done so that PADI could make more money,
faster.  Period.

I apologize for my error... it is certainly I who am stupid.

Regards,

Joe

Joe F. West
http://members.home.com/joewest2/



-----Original Message-----
From: David.Applin [mailto:David.Applin@ta*.co*]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 10:59 PM
To: Joe West; 'techdiver Mail'; 'Scott'
Subject: Re: Is there a thing like inofficial training?


Now look here Mr West! ;-(
I don't mind being corrected but don't quote facts "out of the latest
edition" unless your sure your right!

<Snip> Joe west wrote
>on around here (and rightfully so sometimes) without people spouting
> inaccurate information.  If you're not sure of something, don't repeat it
> unless you like making yourself look stupid.

Well yes I got the bit about 80 dives wrong and to all those pro Padi I
apologise in public.

HOWEVER

Go and read Your Training Bulletin for January 2000!
I assume your an instructor and have access to one?  :-)

"Effective immediately. the requirement that the individual must be a
certified diver for at least 12 months prior to attending an INSTRUCTOR
EXAMINATION has been changed to 6 months"

I have attached a  scanned tiff file of the relevant page from the training
bulletin. Hopefully we can end this bullshit now!

<Snip> Joe west wrote
> How about we stick to the facts David.  There is enough PADI bashing going
> on around here (and rightfully so sometimes)

Missing the point a bit here aren't we? this is not about Padi bashing Its
about the stupidity of any training organisation which certifies instructors
without taking into account the need for experience.


David J. Applin
Chichester
England
david.applin@ta*.co*
07887 657567
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe West <Joe.West@Fu*.co*>
To: 'David.Applin' <David.Applin@ta*.co*>; 'techdiver Mail'
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>; 'Scott' <scottk@hc*.co*>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:15 PM
Subject: RE: Is there a thing like inofficial training?


> David,
>
> Actually, the PADI requirement for an instructor candidate to attend
> Instructor Candidate Course training (IDC) is 6 months certification and
60
> logged dives.
>
> Before they can take the Instructor Examination (IE) the candidate must
have
> been certified for 1 year and logged 100 dives.
>
> And I quote directly from PADI's Standards and procedures, latest edition:
>
> Instructor Development Course (IDC) Prerequisites
> To enroll in an IDC, an individual must:
> 1. Be certified as a PADI Assistant Instructor or PADI Divemaster or as a
> current instructor member with another recreational diver training
> organization.
> 2. Be at least 18 years of age.
> 3. Submit medical clearance for diving signed by a physician, attesting to
> fitness to dive. The medical clearance must be current within the
> previous 12 months. The physician signing the medical clearance cannot
> be the applicant.
> 4. Have been a certified diver for at least six months and have completed
> and logged at least 60 dives (as documented in the individual's log book.)
> Note: To attend an Instructor Examination (IE), the instructor candidate
> must have been a
> certified diver for at least 12 months and have at least 100 logged dives
> (exceptions may include
> PADI 5 Star Career Development Center candidates.)
>
>
> How about we stick to the facts David.  There is enough PADI bashing going
> on around here (and rightfully so sometimes) without people spouting
> inaccurate information.  If you're not sure of something, don't repeat it
> unless you like making yourself look stupid.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
>
>
> Joe F. West
> http://members.home.com/joewest2/
>
>
>
> > > The best case in point for this is the PADI instructor requirements.
You
> > > need a whole 100 dives of experience and an IDC (which is a joke at
> best)
> > > and you are "qualified" to turn out a bunch of weekend warriors. At
100
> > > dives most are still trying to grasp the concept that the bubbles
travel
> > up,
>
> Rules have changed - you only need 80 dives and 6 months diving experience
> to become a PADI instructor now. No doubt this rule change is designed to
> improve things:-)
> David J. Applin
> Chichester
> England
> david.applin@ta*.co*
> 07887 657567
> ...
>
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