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Tom, he did hold it up out of not giving a shit, but it was not an issue. I had 70 cave dives by the time you signed it. In fact he gave it to me on the airplane on the way to Mexico in September of 1991, two months before he died, almost a year after I started with him. It was , as you say, a "mute" point , and it makes no difference. The fact is I did four (4) training dives with him only, the rest were real dives, and he "certified" me over the phone after Lamar English and I did an exploration dive while I was still taking Parker's course. You keep missing the point while making it for me. Tom, if I have only been cave diving for ten years, or nine years or eight years or seven years, why is it that I do things that neither you nor anyone else can seem to do with so little time under my belt, and why is it I did it right off the bat, and not twenty years later? Let me answer that , Tom. It is called DIR - the way that works, the way that lets people actually get something done and not run a continous clusterfuck. Unlike you, I sought out Parker Turner and Bill Gavin and the WKPP - the best in the business - to dive with so I could learn from the best. You really need to take closer look at that. You need to take a closer look at why Bill Gavin chose me as his dive partner starting in 1991 - the year you are so concerned about. Why is that , Tom? Why is it that the two of us kept going farther and farther at depth in 1992, 3, etc. and so on until the distances became absurd - nobody ever had done that before. How about upstream Cheryl or Dowstream Turner ( done before you say I was gas diving in 1992) - those dives still stand to this day. I don't even want to better them myself without a rebreather. Open circuit distance records at depth ( the only ones that count ) and that continued right through every dive at Wakulla that we ever did out to 11,000 feet - futher than your stroke buddies at udsct could get in 90 days on freebreathers following my line. Why the hell is that . Why is it us and not anyone else? Again , it is called Doing It Right, and I am the poster boy for that since I have only been cave divng ten ( you can call it nine and it sounds even better) years. That means you and the entire community of personal preference types are are either mutants, or I am doing it right and you are not. I would think that you are not a mutant, just stubborn ( and a tad of a rockhead ), but as far as your stroke buddies go they are both idiots and mutants, so I will leave them out of the discussion. Besides , who cares when I am certified since I really am not legitimately certified for anything, and there is nobody who can challenge that. You never even certfied me on the rebreather, remember? and I teach the stupid thing and hold the distance record in cave with it. Tom, somebody is right here and somebody is wrong. Who is it? Let's go to the scorecard and see. We have GI holding all the records and TM holding his dick ( with a pair of fur-lined tweezers) and giving me shit .. Give me a break. Tom Mount wrote: > > Your cave card was processed on the date that Parker certified you . I did > not even know what the date was so called the NACD training Director and > asked what date you had been certified on and that is the information he > gave me. Although I was the training director the card processing was sent > directly to the NACD and it was processed. The only time material would have > come to me was if there was a problem and there was not with yours. It was > processed upon being submitted to Judy at NACD, and processed as Judy and > Parker were good friends I doubt that she held it up for a year as you > insinuate > > The card would have Parkers name on it and my name as the TD at that time > but it was signed with a stamped signature for that purpose that Judy had. > I'm surprised you threw away a card with Parker Turners name on it as your > instructor, but then again you do a lot of things that surprise me. > > I could care less about your gas certification. But I do not think Parker > would have held your cert back for a full year. as you are stating. In fact > I did think you had started your cave course with Parker in 1990. and was > surprised that it was 1991 > > For the record when did you set a cave diving record date and distance > > Respectfully yours, > Tom Mount > CEO IANTD World HQ > http://www.iantd.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*> > To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*> > Cc: Jarrod Jablonski <JJ@gu*.co*>; a n <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: stroke tee shirt /dive girl mag > > > Tom, we just needed to clear up your misrepresentation that JJ and I > > differ on ANY points of diving. JJ took care of that. JJ is in the > > business, I am not. He is nice, I have no time for it. > > > > Otherwise, I find it absolutely amazing that you can on the one hand > > know that I started cave diving in 1990, and you signed my cave card in > > 1991, which I threw in the trash, by the way, after Parker gave it to me > > on the way to an exploration dive, and yet be too blind to see what can > > be done by DOING IT RIGHT. I am not gas certifed either Tom, so I guess > > that means I don't do that too well, huh? Neither is Bill Gavin , by the > > way, and he designed the MK 19 mixed gas rebreather. Maybe he and I > > could sign up together and get a deal from one of your IANTD "gas" > > "instructors" like the late Andre Smith or maybe Derek Mc Nulty, or > > maybe the one who lost the guy up in Goober Sink ? How about a nice deal > > for me and Bill, Tom, a little "professional discount"? > > > > One thing I really hated about the "community" was its attitude that > > they were the big "experts" since they had been doing it for years. > > Tom, I blew these guys away, and so did JJ. By the way, JJ was 20 years > > old when I started diving with him, and that is because other than Gavin > > , nobody else out there in the big time experienced cave diver field was > > worth a damn. Fact. You may also want to give yourself a reality check > > here and ask yourself why the best cave diver in the game, Bill Gavin, > > with 18 years cave diving experience who had the end of the line > > everywhere they let him dive passed by all of those big time cave divers > > and took me, the new guy , as his dive partner. Why the hell is that , > > Tom? Can you explain that? Can you swallow that false pride long enough > > to figure that one out? Tom, it is pretty obvious now what he saw that > > you will never admit. > > > > Gavin logged 150 cave dives between the time Parker died and the time he > > quit diving. Four of those dives were NOT with me. One was with Exley at > > Chips, two with Bill Main ( one at Chips and one at Ginnie), and one was > > the Sherwood dive. > > > > I am always willing to tell you or anyone else what the differences in > > the systems are , and why, but am not about to listen to how a stuffed > > hose or bondage wings or any other patently absurd idea is "safe". I > > also see no need to be polite about it. Better if you tell me why it > > makes any sense relative to my way, and skip the safe part and skip any > > reference to how long any stroke has been doing it wrong, just the > > logic. What pisses you off is that there is no such logic. > > > > You need to also skip the bullshit when it comes to me - I am what I am, > > and that is way good enough to say what I say , and the fact is my > > thinking stands on its own, as does my track record. > > > > All from doing thigs properly, DIR , if you will, even though you hate > > to admit it. > > > > Tom Mount wrote: > > > > > > Hi George > > > > > > I thought in private email you asked that we discontinue the discussion > and > > > I agreed to do so. now you wish to start it up again? > > > > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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