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From: "Dan L. Volker" <dan@sf*.co*>
To: <mjblackmd@ya*.co*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: RE: Flying after diving
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:21:54 -0500
Black,
You didn't understand it on rec.scuba, and you still don't understand it
here.  The conversation was begun by  a person wondering about how safe the
"wait to fly" times were, and I explained the safety was very much a
function of the individual's physiology, as 25% of divers have a PFO, and a
large majority of divers seem to have very poor perfusion and generally poor
fitness/high levels of body fat---ie.,e some people should wait longer than
"wait to fly times" indicate.  I mentioned George was on the complete other
side of this equation, due to his high level of physical training....and
that divers need to figure out where in the spectrum they fall in, and then
attempt to err on the side of being conservative ( in their wait to fly
times, based on their fitness level).

Black, you managed to become a laughing stock on rec.scuba, and its been
known for many months on the tek list....maybe its time for you to be a big
shot on the Rodale's discussion group.....


Dan Volker

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From: mjblackmd@ya*.co* [mailto:mjblackmd@ya*.co*]
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 8:28 PM
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com; mjblackmd@ya*.co*
Subject: Flying after diving






Folks,  Read the post below from rec.scuba, and
then consider how it's possible to safely fly
only three hours after a big deco-dive ("standard
procedure"), regardless of breathing mix or
different physiology.  Looks like Haldane was
all wrong too.  BTW Scott, I hope for your sake
you are in excellent shape.  Mike Black
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Subject: Re: Flying after diving
From: mjblackmd@my*.co*
Date: 2000/02/18
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
In article <sap54qus2pd116@co*.su*.co*>,
  "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qn*.co*> wrote:
> "Dan L. Volker" <dan@sf*.co*> wrote in message
> news:sLVq4.49573$ox5.13157347@tw*.nn*.bc*.co*...
> > On the other side of the spectrum, George Irvine will do
> > a big deco dive, and fly 3-4 hours later, never having any
> > repercussions--this is his standard procedure.

> Bullshit.  At normal cabin pressure he might be fine as would be
> plenty of other divers.  What happens to Irvine when the cabin
> depressurizes in an emergency.  Uh oh.  Can this truly be DIR?  Or
> are there DIR exceptions for different physiologies?  Is his blood
> still red?

His blood is still red Greg, and his venom is still black, and you
are quite right about the bullshit.  Nice going Dan, you just put
one more bullet in my gun if I choose to shoot the hypocrite again.
BTW I am keeping a list of all your "safe" practices.  MJB


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