I think I know where this absolute bullshit is coming from.
During my TDI Basic Nitrox course, they actually recommended carrying
EAN39 as a bailout gas for MOD 130.  "you'll only be breathing the mix for
a few seconds until you can get to the proper depth" which made me ask the
question during the course - "why not just carry the proper mix"

Darwin will eventually triumph, especially if more strokes are breathing
pO2 of 1.9!!!

Also, on this great course, I didn't have to do any dives on Nitrox, or
analyse any mixes to get my card.  What a joke.

ss

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Manos Manoli <manos@ma*.co*.cy*>
To: MHK <mhkane@pr*.ne*>
Cc: aquanaut <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Dr. Bennett's Nitrox article


> This conversation is a waste of time.
> If this guy wants to decompress in ppo2  at  1.9 let him do it.
> It is the same logic of diving at 100  meters with air.
> My personal opinion is that my life worth something and i wouldn't play
with  it
> on a
> russian roulette.
> 
> What is the logic of exposing my self in such a high risk of convulsion
for
> the sake of reducing my deco stop for some minutes ?
> 
> Does this guy thinks that USN. or NOOA are stupid as well ?
> 
> 1.9 is save only in a chamber or on In Water Recompilation where you ar
at the
> edge of living or dying.
> 
> Manos
> 
> 
> MHK wrote:
> 
> > I have copied a post that I have sent to rec. scuba, I have been going
back
> > and forth over the last 2 weeks with Dr. Demento  A.K.A. as Dr. MJB.
> >
> > It seems Dr. Demento believes that it is acceptable to use a P02 of
1.9, at
> > depth, in his * pony * bottle.  As I have been unsuccessful in getting
this
> > idiot to see the light of way I thought maybe some on this list may
want to
> > take a shot at showing our dear doctor the error of his ways.
> >
> > > MJB,
> > >
> > > I gave you the perfect way to bow out gracefully, I said let
sleeping dogs
> > > lie, but you decided to retort, once agin with your utter stupidity,
so
> > now
> > > I am left with no choice but to, once again, point out your
stupidity.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > You distorted the facts, and it is VERY TRUE that this needs to be
> > > > cleared up.  I do not PLAN any dive to pO2 1.9.  I often carry a
> > > > pony bottle with EAN40 and NEVER use it.
> > >
> > > No shit.  You shouldn't use your pony.  Your pony, in your own
words, is
> > > used exclusively for bailout purposes, that's the only thing you
said in
> > > that thread that made sense.  But where you utterly failed in your
> > planning,
> > > despite your arrogant and condescending request that only diver's
withh
> > > 1,000+ plus respond, is that you CLEARLY stated that you would be
diving
> > to
> > > an MOD of 130', once again, your words not mine.  You also
pontificated
> > that
> > > you suggest that a 40% mix is what you recommend using in your pony.
> > >
> > > 40% at 130' yeilds an P02 of 1.9.  Absent all your other
condesending,
> > > medicinal bullshit, that is the most ridiculous planning I have ever
heard
> > > of.  By your own admission, you will only use your pony in and
emergency
> > > situation, you then arrogantly suggest that in said emergency, that
1.9 is
> > > acceptable.  What the hell is your logic????
> > >
> > > What have you gained by excedding the recommended PP02's by such a
large
> > > measure???
> > >
> > > Hint:  You gain ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and you risk oxygen toxicity.
> > >
> > >  Now from what I gather, you believe that you possess a working
knowledge
> > of
> > > OxTox because rather than defend your stupidity you entertained us
with
> > some
> > > irrelevant post citing inapplicable information respecting OxTox.
> > >
> > > So rather than quote some bullshit, tell everyone reading this
thread,
> > your
> > > colleague Dr. Bennett included, why you recommend breathing a mix of
1.9
> > in
> > > emergency situations????
> > >
> > > No other doctorial nonsense, cite facts, authority and reasoning...
> > >
> > > Stop misdirecting the question and just answer it.  I've asked it,
Miranda
> > > has asked it and Scott has asked it and you have FAILED to answer
it,
> > citing
> > > your high and mighty belief that you *know the risks and have
accepted
> > > them*.  Who gives a shit what you think you know, if you are
recommending
> > > something to someone else, they have  a right to know why.  When a
patient
> > > comes into your office and you recommend treatment and they question
why
> > do
> > > you just tell that that you have evaluated *there* risk or do you
explain
> > > why????
> > >
> > >
> > >  It is there for bailout
> > > > only.  Most wrecks I dive are in 130ffw or less.  I do not PLAN to
> > > > breathe my pony at this depth, but if I have to I will, and I know
> > > > to get the hell outa there.  My PLAN calls for breathing air.
> > >
> > > Your plan sucks!!!!!!
> > >
> > > > Your misunderstanding of pulmonary vs CNS oxygen toxicity was
clearly
> > > > evident to me when you questioned the statement about breathing
> > > > a 1.6 mix for 45 minutes to reach 100% on the CNS clock.  I have a
> > > > feeling you understand the concept better now.
> > >
> > >
> > > You idiot you still don't get it...  Who the hell is talking about
OTU's,
> > we
> > > are talking about convulsing because your P02's are too high...
> > >
> > > Do some homework, study the issue and then talk to me about
pulmonary -v-
> > > CNS.  You are a complete contradiction in terms.  Even Dr.
Bennett's
> > > article emphasized the fact that P02's need to be lowered, so you
are
> > > defending him, agreeing with him, but arguing with me that you can
breathe
> > > 1.9 for 45 minutes.  No wonder why HMO's are taking over the medical
> > > profession.
> > >
> > > Did you go to medical school in Guatemala???
> > >
> > >
> > > > Neither, see above.  I must say that I do find it very interesting
> > > > based on DAN's data from 1996 that the incidence of DCI with
Nitrox
> > > > is twice that of air.
> > >
> > > Once again, and this is a record even for you, you missed the point.
The
> > > stats are WAY OFF.  There is NOTHING about these stats that can be
relied
> > > upon.  They are meaningless, but you are to blind or to arrogant to
see
> > it.
> > > They are comparing apples to oranges.
> > >
> > >  I have never subscribed to the notion that
> > > > Nitrox is "safer" than air, and the statistics are beginning to
show
> > > > this.  It is evident to me that as we push the envelope with this
> > > > mixed gas diving, unless we understand it better, we are walking a
> > > > very fine line.
> > >
> > > *We* aren't walking any such fine line.  *We* study it, *We*
understand it
> > > and *We* are successful diving it.  You keep clinging to 1.9 and
then
> > > question why the stats are so high.  What an idiot......
> > >
> > > Why in God's name would you pontificate about using 1.9 and then
dare to
> > > suggest that Nitrox is more dangerous than air.  If it is, it's
because of
> > > idiots like you that don't have a god damn clue what they are
talking
> > about,
> > > dive dangerous mixes and then arrogantly defend stupidity.
> > >
> > > If they stats support more danger it is because of you........
> > >
> > > Later
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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