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Andrew, you might want to reconsider on the JJ being a "stroke " issue when you see the fins on the wall :) Look at that North wall and you will see them hiding in amoungst the Jetfins. Andrew wrote: > > Bill > > Before you go spouting off, I think it is best that you get your facts > straight. > > IF you came into our store last week you would NOT have been > pushed or even told about a PDIC course because no-one at the store is an > active PDIC > instructor and hasn't being for the past 4 years. So you are lying. And as a > LIAR a don't feel I should address you via e-mail. More so, I'm not > convinced you were ever actually in > our store. Furthermore, I didn't address "The Shadow"s e-mail as he/she is > to scared to > give me a real e-mail and sign it with a real name. It is easy to fling mud > when you remain anonymous. > > As I sit here in the Extreme Exposure headquarters (JJ's shop) I wonder how > to address this issue. I notice average scuba equipment on JJ's wall, as > well as DIR equipment. I don't consider JJ to be a stroke. I don't consider > JJ's shop to be strokery. I don't consider JJ's operation (Extreme Exposure) > to be a a "bait and switch" operation. (Yes, to all JJ has Scubapro Accent > BCD's for sale and so on) I do consider JJ's shop to be an excellent > operation. By your philosophy Bill, JJ is also a stroke with Bait and Switch > techniques. > > You see, I think many folks miss the point of DIR. > > DIR is not only about > what gear you wear, or what gear sell, but more about a philosophy of > diving. If you (or the shadow) had ever taken a class from me you would > realize that, even so it was an SSI openwater or Advanced course, the > philosophies I > teach are DIR (which I live by). You would also find I wouldn't tell you > what gear to wear, just suggest what works best for me. > The reasoning for teaching an SSI course in the basic levels is that GUE as > of yet, does not have an > Openwater Class. (part of the reason I am sitting here at Extreme > Exposure/GUE headquarters). So yes when someone walks into my operation and > we don't know their skill level, generally we introduce them at a basic > level (DIR > philosophies included) and certify them SSI. At a Tech level 1 we teach a > GUE program and continue the philosophy. IF that's the direction the > student wants to take. > > You know Bill, (and the Shadow) rather than trying to publicly SLANDER me > and > making a fools of yourselves, I would be more than glad to sit down and talk > with you about the obvious beef you have with me personally. > > Andrew > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Anderson <banders@hc*.co*> > To: The Shadow <neptunusrox@ho*.co*> > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 4:23 PM > Subject: Re: dui rockboots and hypocrites > > >I went to 5th D last week as well. They have all what GUE or DIR folks > >would call stroke gear. > > > >I think there are some very valid questions here, that should be > >addressed. > > > >I spoke to one of the fellows (forget his name) at 5th D, and he tried > >pushing me toward the PDIC course, which I dont want. My questions about > >GUE training went mostly unanswered. It was rather disturbing to me, as > >I am in the sales business, and normally this type of tactic is called > >"Bait and Switch". It is considered tacky at best, and is illegal at > >worst. > > > >I also found it kind of amusing to see very little Halcyon or DIR gear > >in a shop where DIR and GUE are supposed to be based. > > > >To be honest, Andrew may be a very good diver, but I think I will make > >my purchases, and seek training elsewhere. > > > >Bill Anderson > > > >The Shadow wrote: > >> > >> andrew, i find it very amusing that you could be so critical about some > >> other agency and make it so public on this list. you should clean up your > >> own back door steps first. you being a gue and dir type instructor and > you > >> don't even practice what you teach. you teach your students to non dir > ways > >> when you have the knowledge and power to teach them the correct ways from > >> the start. instead you teach them a ssi course and pdic course because > they > >> tout buying all the wrong gear from you in their courses. by teaching it > >> that way you can sell way more gear and then your customers can spend > more > >> money with you when they want to dir. i see your customers at les davies > >> pier doing the open water dives in stroke gear. i also see your store > >> functions all the stroke gear you sell your customers after they're > >> certified. is this personal choice or does this just make you more money > >> like the other stores around your area regardless of which agency they > >> choose to teach by? i also see you use deep air when your store goes on > >> trips to sechelt b.c. canada. using deep air is so strokish and when you > do > >> it with customers that were up partying until the wee hours really kind > of > >> makes the effects even better. maybe this is what ssi or pdic teaches > >> because i'm sure that gue and dir doesn't include this kind of behavior. > or > >> is this another case of personal choice? i in know way am attacking gue > or > >> dir. i think this way of diving, is the future of diving, but i think > being > >> a hypocrite is even a lower form of life than being a padi instructor. at > >> least most of them don't know any better. gee why are you so bitter > against > >> padi, did they flunk you in one of their instructor courses? > >> ______________________________________________________ > >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >> > >> -- > >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >-- > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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