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Bill Before you go spouting off, I think it is best that you get your facts straight. IF you came into our store last week you would NOT have been pushed or even told about a PDIC course because no-one at the store is an active PDIC instructor and hasn't being for the past 4 years. So you are lying. And as a LIAR a don't feel I should address you via e-mail. More so, I'm not convinced you were ever actually in our store. Furthermore, I didn't address "The Shadow"s e-mail as he/she is to scared to give me a real e-mail and sign it with a real name. It is easy to fling mud when you remain anonymous. As I sit here in the Extreme Exposure headquarters (JJ's shop) I wonder how to address this issue. I notice average scuba equipment on JJ's wall, as well as DIR equipment. I don't consider JJ to be a stroke. I don't consider JJ's shop to be strokery. I don't consider JJ's operation (Extreme Exposure) to be a a "bait and switch" operation. (Yes, to all JJ has Scubapro Accent BCD's for sale and so on) I do consider JJ's shop to be an excellent operation. By your philosophy Bill, JJ is also a stroke with Bait and Switch techniques. You see, I think many folks miss the point of DIR. DIR is not only about what gear you wear, or what gear sell, but more about a philosophy of diving. If you (or the shadow) had ever taken a class from me you would realize that, even so it was an SSI openwater or Advanced course, the philosophies I teach are DIR (which I live by). You would also find I wouldn't tell you what gear to wear, just suggest what works best for me. The reasoning for teaching an SSI course in the basic levels is that GUE as of yet, does not have an Openwater Class. (part of the reason I am sitting here at Extreme Exposure/GUE headquarters). So yes when someone walks into my operation and we don't know their skill level, generally we introduce them at a basic level (DIR philosophies included) and certify them SSI. At a Tech level 1 we teach a GUE program and continue the philosophy. IF that's the direction the student wants to take. You know Bill, (and the Shadow) rather than trying to publicly SLANDER me and making a fools of yourselves, I would be more than glad to sit down and talk with you about the obvious beef you have with me personally. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Anderson <banders@hc*.co*> To: The Shadow <neptunusrox@ho*.co*> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 4:23 PM Subject: Re: dui rockboots and hypocrites >I went to 5th D last week as well. They have all what GUE or DIR folks >would call stroke gear. > >I think there are some very valid questions here, that should be >addressed. > >I spoke to one of the fellows (forget his name) at 5th D, and he tried >pushing me toward the PDIC course, which I dont want. My questions about >GUE training went mostly unanswered. It was rather disturbing to me, as >I am in the sales business, and normally this type of tactic is called >"Bait and Switch". It is considered tacky at best, and is illegal at >worst. > >I also found it kind of amusing to see very little Halcyon or DIR gear >in a shop where DIR and GUE are supposed to be based. > >To be honest, Andrew may be a very good diver, but I think I will make >my purchases, and seek training elsewhere. > >Bill Anderson > >The Shadow wrote: >> >> andrew, i find it very amusing that you could be so critical about some >> other agency and make it so public on this list. you should clean up your >> own back door steps first. you being a gue and dir type instructor and you >> don't even practice what you teach. you teach your students to non dir ways >> when you have the knowledge and power to teach them the correct ways from >> the start. instead you teach them a ssi course and pdic course because they >> tout buying all the wrong gear from you in their courses. by teaching it >> that way you can sell way more gear and then your customers can spend more >> money with you when they want to dir. i see your customers at les davies >> pier doing the open water dives in stroke gear. i also see your store >> functions all the stroke gear you sell your customers after they're >> certified. is this personal choice or does this just make you more money >> like the other stores around your area regardless of which agency they >> choose to teach by? i also see you use deep air when your store goes on >> trips to sechelt b.c. canada. using deep air is so strokish and when you do >> it with customers that were up partying until the wee hours really kind of >> makes the effects even better. maybe this is what ssi or pdic teaches >> because i'm sure that gue and dir doesn't include this kind of behavior. or >> is this another case of personal choice? i in know way am attacking gue or >> dir. i think this way of diving, is the future of diving, but i think being >> a hypocrite is even a lower form of life than being a padi instructor. at >> least most of them don't know any better. gee why are you so bitter against >> padi, did they flunk you in one of their instructor courses? >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> >> -- >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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