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I agree with Ben he is quite right , It really piss everyone off when you see people swearing or calling names other's at a mailing list where most of us are subscribe to learn and where others to show off !!! Maybe i have thousand more dives than some of the people in the list but this makes me ONLY an experience diver not a person that knows everything. What im trying to say is that some time many of us hesitate to post a question that may seem stupid to those guys called "pros" or questions that set the list in flames ending up in a swearing chain. Those are the people that kill the idea of Tech Diving. And discourage the newones to get started. A person who starts wrong will be totally confused if he gets an answer like " You ...... u are going to get killed those in the agency don't know what they are doing bla bla bla " at the end he will not know which one to believe. I admire the genuine people and believe me there are only a few in this list that have the knowledge but more important the skill to pass the right message to the new guys. At the end we don't all live in the US so we don't all get the same training chances. Some of us stay in Technical Diving remote islands where after the over seas training the next source of information is this list. We ask to be respected as we respect you. Rgds Manos Manoli Limassol - Cyprus. > Techdiver people, > > Thank you for the many responses to my question about > where and how to receive cave training. As was > obvious from my post I'm just getting into technical > diving but obviously need some more practice before > attempting Cave 1 with GUE. I'll start diving here in > New England with doubles (and take the flack from the > lobster boys) until I get really comfortable with it. > > My ego's not as big as Texas but I feel I must at > least try to defend myself against George. This will > be my last post regarding this to avoid an all out > flame war. > > I've done some very "risk management" sports in my > time. They'd include white water kayaking (try diving > in 20 mph current with no tank and getting pinned > under your boat to a rock), paragliding (try keeping > your cool as a down draft hurtles you towards power > lines), ice climbing (do I even need to justify that > one?), and mountaineering (what I'd give for oxygen > toxicity concerns :)... Diving in January in New > England may not be as technical as Cave Diving but > it's certainly no walk in the park. I don't, however, > feel I know it all... I think asking what I did on > techdiver should have pretty much explained that. > > In any case, the sports I mentioned above all went > through what Cave Diving went (and is still going) > through. A lot of people were dying and everyone was > getting pretty pushy about regulations and training so > the sites/areas/sport wouldn't be shut down. People, > unfortunately, are not nearly as smart as they might > think they are. Accidents happen and those of us that > will evolve and breed again learn from the mistakes... > those that don't loose fingernails on cave ceilings > trying to dig through limestone. > > Every sport has new people trying to learn. Most > people in risk management sports understand that the > yahoo who just showed up is going to attempt their > sport one way or another. Some people remember when > they were that yahoo. The people who are good at > their sport realize that they must help that yahoo > before they have to rescue them. While George might > think he's in line for a humanitarian award he has > obviously given up on trying to help anyone new to the > sport. His attitude will have people seeking out the > instructors who will train anyone and will ultimately > get those people killed. Him saying "let's just rule > out GUE right now" leaves me with what option? Not > cave diving or finding an unscrupulous teacher who > doesn't care. Either way - he's added to the problem. > Would you rather have kids give up and go to a > community college or work their butt off and get into > Harvard. I think the answer is obvious. > > I don't know anything about George. From the posts > I've seen on techdiver he seems pretty f'ing good at > diving (maybe one of the top people in the field) - > it's unfortunate that his attitude is so bad. > > Thanks for you help techdiver people. I'll get more > training before entering your realm again. > > -ben > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! 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