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Scott, First off I guess you have a "challenge" understanding some of the banter on this list. The terms "Cave Nazis" and "Tech Nazis" does not refer to Cave Divers or Tech Divers that would like to persecute Jews but rather is a term used by some to try to categorize certain individuals as following a given DIVING philosophy in a "lockstep" (get it?) fashion, i.e. following blindly, not thinking for one's self. It has nothing to do with your perceived insult by Billy. Secondly, if you are looking for political correctness you have come to the wrong place! Suggest you move up here to Washington, D.C. and you can be as sanctimonious as you like - and others of a similar mind will be happy to listen. On this site if you see something that you feel is an insult to you and it hurts your feelings, I suggest that you use the key at the "1 o'clock" position from your enter key that is marked "Delete". Failure to do so will most likely result in a real insult to you that will really hurt your feelings! Please note: I am not suggesting that any of this is right. I am just pointing out that that's the way it is! Since this is the "techdiver" mailing list and not the "miss manners", "dear abby" or "politically correct" mailing list, I suggest (in my never to be humble opinion) that all insults and other flames be directly related to diving activities and/or practices and that off thread arguments about whose feelings got hurt the worst should be taken off-line. Dave Dalton Germantown, MD (somewhere north of Washington, D.C.) >From: <ScottBonis@ao*.co*> >To: billy@bd*.co*.au* >CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com >Subject: Re: deco Decision.- Outrage >Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 00:12:42 EST > >I am sending this message to the entire mailing list in an attempt to >expose >a level of bigotry that I believe has no place in our society. > >On 12/24/99 billy@bd*.co*.au* wrote ><< ....Y'know back in '42, you Europeans should have let the Germans keep >France. >rgrds billyw>> > >On 12/24/99 ScottBonis@ao*.co* wrote: ><<For many years now I have heard of the diving "Cave Nazi's and Techno >Nazi's" but this is the first clear indication I have seen. Who on earth >do >you think you are to reserect such memories. You owe one major apology to >every single person on this mailing list who was offended by your remarks. >And that starts with me.>> > >On 12/27/99 billy@bd*.co*.au* wrote ><<Memories? MEMORIES?!? Oh, spare me the wounded psyche act. You weren't >even >there. You probably weren't even born. >And if ANYONE has a right to be offended, it's the French, who, showing wit >and insouciance that is clearly lost on you, remarked of the German >occupation "at least the trains ran on time." >Tell you what, Scott - since you take a living out of Yucatan, I suggest >you've got enough to do cleaning up the shit that happens in your >back-yard, >without pretending outrage about troubles that happened half a century ago >and half a world away. >rgrdz billyw>> > >It is really an educational experience for me to find that there are >actually >individuals such as yourself who are still trying to spread their >prejudicial >garbage in our society. I find it almost inconceivable that you are >actually >trying to justify your bigoted remarks by attacking me personally. Do you >have any idea of how rediculous you are proving yourself to be? > >But in the spirit of tolerence, I will try to communicate with you as a >human >being. > >As it happens, I definately was born during the invasion of France but >you're >certainly right in that I was not there. But that does not mean I have no >memories of the time. You see my prior father in law received a PhD. in >chemistry from the University of Vienna in the 1930's before both he and >his >wife were forced to leave Austria. And a major portion of my prior wife's >family were murdered in the camps. Do you think we never spoke of her >relatives? So how dare you, yes HOW DARE YOU say that I have no memories. > >Can you possibly be so naive as to believe that the "French" can think of >the >German occupation with carefree indifference? You have really got to be >kidding me. No adult with even a modicum of intelligence could even >consider >such a widespread French attitude possible let alone believe it to be >prevalent. > >You accuse me of "Taking a living out of the Yucatan". I have to admit >that >I don't really know what that means. You probably cannot fathom this, but >I >teach technical diving because of my love for diving and for sharing my >experiences, not for the money. Fortunately I have an independent income >that is far in excess of anything I could ever make teaching diving. And >you >might be interested to know that in the last month alone I have certified >two >foreign full cave students for no pay because another instructor had >accepted >them as students and then for family health reasons, had to leave the >country. And presently among my students, I have one Mexican trimix >student >and one Mayan full cave student who I am also training for no pay simply >because they have worked hard and couldn't afford it. > >And several years ago my wife and I donated two six foot stained glass >windows to a church in a Mayan indian village outside the city of San >Cristobal de las Casas high in the mountains of Chiapas. And I don't mean >we >simply donated money. We designed the windows to be of meaning to the >religion of the village, bought the glass and materials and brought them >1500 >miles down from the US, fabricated and installed the windows and then gave >them as a present to the people of the Chamula village. The only thing I >take out of Mexico is memories of the warm and friendly people with whom I >am >surrounded and of the majestic caves. > >A very wise man once said "He who does not learn from the past is bound to >relive it." But according to your reasoning, we are all to believe that we >need not learn anything from events such as Masada, the Inquisition, the >burning of the Maya codices, the Zulu and Mau Mau uprisings, the Alamo, >Wounded Knee, or from the Nazi's. After all, they all happened more than >fifty years ago, so let's forget them. I'm sorry fella, but for me it >doesn't work that way. > >Although I have no reason to believe that you will ever understand what I >am >telling you, you need help. You need to join the human race. You need to >learn that we are all one people and are capable of improving our lot. >Tearing down others will never build you up, it will only lead to your >inevitable decay. I pity you. >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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