Manos et al,

MHK's point, and the point which should soon become more apparent within
NAUI circles, is that a continuum exists which contains both recreational
and technical diving....and in the "ideal" form or recreational
training/diving, as well as "ideal" tek training and diving, all the skills
learned in recreational are used to build on the skills used in tek.

Diving does not need two separate and unrelated sets of skills, and in fact
this would be a  travesty if we all allowed this to continue.

The DIR style of diving applies equally to both recreational and tek, and in
fact, is a close fit to many of the most important ideas which NAUI
implemented back in the early 70's (when thoughtfulness about diving skills
overshadowed thoughtfulness about market share) .   Happily, no reduction in
marketing effectiveness would occur if NAUI was to suddenly adopt DIR
mindsets, gear configurations  and skills. If you read all the available DIR
articles, or go diving with some of the founders of DIR you will quickly see
this is a movement based on a better way, and one NAUI could benefit from
enormously.

Regards,
Dan Volker



-----Original Message-----
From: 	Manos Manoli [mailto:manos@ma*.co*.cy*]
Sent:	Friday, December 24, 1999 3:21 AM
To:	Tech Diver
Subject:	Re: Attention NAUI members only

I do not see the reason why you people are going on and on on those matters.
Im a Naui Instructor for the last 2 years and if i look back at my long term
training i wouldn't find anything in recreational diving that blends with
tech
Diving.
And you know why ? Simply because it is impossible to compare oranges with
onions.
I am a multiple personality person like any recreational instructor should
be
when
teaching a course or when diving at extremes with tech equipment.
We are subscribed to this list to share ideas and not to argue with each
other.
It is impossible again to understand the logic of  applying the same rules
on 2
completely different subjects. If you take the risk of tech dive then you
accept rules and procedures that look crazy and suitable to others.

Manos Manoli
Greek Island of Cyprus.






MHK wrote:

> > Well, I don't know what John had to say, but what does this have to do
> with
> > being a Course Director?  A Course Director doesn't necessarily have
> anything
> > to do with technical diving.  Who are you and please explain the
problem.
>
> I believe John is in a better position to explain *exactly* what he said.
> But from my understanding, John was invited to speak at some NAUI seminar
> and he made the * out of left feild* suggestion that an OOA diver take the
> reg from the buddies mouth.  He went on to explain that the theory was
that
> the OOA diver would have a working reg to the extent that he/she took such
a
> reg.
>
> I state FTR, I was not at he seminar, but that is clearly my
understanding.
> NAUI course directors could not fathom such a suggestion going as far as
> saying that they should take the *octo* and if it doesn't work then every
> man for himself.  That is what the NAUI course directors are teaching.
> John, rightly so, took exception to this TEACHING PHILOSOPHY.  This is
what
> they are teaching there instructors to teach students.
>
> So instead of listening to others, and perhaps learning from others, they
> decide to start there own list.
>
> I say GO AHEAD.  IDIOTS AND SHORT TERM THINKERS such as them deserve each
> other.
>
> Later
>
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