Will,

I saw what it was for...not having rebreather experience....I am also not an
idiot.  You have been talking about a redundant rebreather for some time.
The joke I made was a comparison to the Inspiration, which has a pretty high
death toll associated to it, and if he wanted a cheap rebreather he could
build yours and have a similar product...cheaper and save money for the
NOK...

BTW what the hell is moderately extreme?  Is that like a "little painful"?

Sean


----- Original Message -----
From: William Smithers <will@tr*.co*>
To: Kevin W. Juergensen <kevin@el*.co*>
Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: Rebreathers


>
>
> > >Will Smithers has one made out of rolls of toilet paper and an
innertube!
> > >You'd probably die just as fast on that as folks are on the
> > >Inspiration..._BUT_ think of the money you'd save!  Just whip up the
old
> > >Smithers special and save yourself and wife/widow/girlfriend some
serious
> > >cash!!
> > >
> > >Sean
>
> Sean, I missed most of this thread, as I'm not currently subscribed
> to this list, but somebody forwarded me your note, and I thought
> it worth a public reply.
>
> The TP2000 (and later TP3000 and TP2750 series) was not a joke.
> Well, sortof it was, but you'd have to have lots of closed circuit
> rebreather experience to really get it, and the series was proven on some
> moderately extreme dives.
>
> The thing about it was, it was a joke-within-a-joke-within-a-joke,
> which, if you look at it with a rebreather designer's eye, wasn't
> a joke at all - it was perfectly serious.  In fact, I would offer that
> it will stand for the next hundred years as the ultimate elegantly
> pragmatic, minimalist CCR solution.  THAT was the joke.
> I can't tell from your post, but it looks like you probably missed
> that, as I expect you would, not having any rebreather experience.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Will
>
>
>
> > >
> > >Standard Tech List Disclaimer:
> > >The preceding was an attempt at humor, I cannot advocate the use of
toilet
> > >paper in a rebreather, nor the use of an innertube (or even a
rebreather
> > >since I have never dove one)...if you choose to do either (the
innertube or
> > >toilet paper) you are pretty damn stupid IMHO, but hey it's a free
country,
> > >suck on toilet paper all you want...
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
> > >To: Jeffrey Swann <swanncruz@ta*.ne*.au*>
> > >Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 2:21 PM
> > >Subject: Re: Rebreathers
> > >
> > >
> > >> I can't recommend the cis lunar as I have never used it. I do have
the
> > >> owners manual for it, and would make several changes if if were mine,
> > >> but all I can say is that it appears to be about like all of them
only a
> > >> little better quality and more use under its belt. Most appear
actually
> > >> to be copies of the cis, and the cis appears to be a bad copy of the
> > >> Navy's MK-19, which is not in production.
> > >>
> > >> If I were to buy an electronic rebreather, I would want a MK 16, but
you
> > >> can not buy those, and they cost over 60 K anyway.
> > >>
> > >> The rebreathers I have are mechanical, and I only use them for
> > >> ridiculous cave dives. I am not going to tell you to get a rebreather
to
> > >> save on gas money, as no amount of gas money is equal to your life.
> > >>
> > >> You must also consider that when I dive a rebreather, I am diving
with
> > >> Jarrod Jablonski, my ten year dive partner and the best dive partner
in
> > >> the world. I would even dive a buddy desperation if he were with me,
> > >> with bondage wings on air, but then that is not even funny, is it.
> > >>
> > >> Jeffrey Swann wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > Yeah, I am aware of open circuit redundancy.
> > >> > Of course that varies with the type of dive.
> > >> > So is cis lunar your recomendation?
> > >> > Obviously I have alot of research to do.
> > >> > Jeff.
> > >> > At 05:52 14/12/99 -0500, you wrote:
> > >> > >If that is your goal, you might as well get the Cis Lunar.
However,
> > >> > >forget "redundency"? - you need o/c backup, and that makes them
all a
> > >> > >pain in the ass.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >Jeffrey Swann wrote:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Dear List,
> > >> > >> I have been reading with interest the inclusion of He in many
mixes,
> > >not
> > >> > >> always for significant depth.
> > >> > >> He over here (Darwin, Australia) is not that easy to come by,
and is
> > >quite
> > >> > >> expensive.
> > >> > >> I am toying with the long-term proposition of running a
rebreather
> > >which
> > >> > >> will control pp O2  at all depth ranges.
> > >> > >> I believe cis lunar will do this.
> > >> > >> Could I please obtain some information on the state of play of
> > >rebreathers,
> > >> > >> on the "top end" of the market?
> > >> > >> I realise redundancy is a consideration.
> > >> > >> I am looking for a long term solution to use He in a wide range
of
> > >> > >> circumstances and depth ranges.
> > >> > >> Without using a wastefull open circuit situation.
> > >> > >> Thanks in advance.
> > >> > >> Jeff.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >>
> > >>
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