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No I am not confused about what +ve P ventilation means. I am talking about using a demand valve w/ a true fit (or inflatable cuff) mask to deliver 100% O2 to a unconscious victim. To B used only after victim has been extricated from water. It is my understanding, via J Corry, the developer of the NASAR O2 Adm & DAM course, that BSAC had adopted the tech (this goes back some 15 y - I took my O2 ITC in 1988). So if that was in error, I apologize. To repeat: Yes O2 can B administered via +ve P, w/ the above caveats. If BSAC does not approve it, again my error. Safe bubbles Esat Atikan --- "Taylor, John" <john.taylor@cs*.co*.uk*> wrote: > So to use that information as an argument for > positive pressure ventilation > would be at least tenuous? > > Since: > > a) the regulator is non-standard and: > b) does not use positive pressure to ventilate the > lungs > > -- > John Taylor > CREDIT | FIRST > SUISSE | BOSTON > Equity Derivatives and Convertibles Unit > * +852 2101 6927 (Office) > * +852 2101 7698 (Fax) > * +852 9031 6395 (Mobile) > * mailto:john.taylor@cs*.co*.uk* > * mailto:live4diving@ho*.co* > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Grant Jones > [SMTP:grant@ow*.fr*.co*.uk*] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 4:17 AM > > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com > > Subject: Re: Making Asses & Purging, Not > Resuscitating. > > > > John, > > > > I think Esat, is getting + 02 pressure, > confused with the > > constant-flow > > outlet on a 02 set that delivers around about 10 > Lt / min to a strapped on > > face mask, when the patient breathes in they get a > lung-full of 02, > > otherwise the 02 just runs away - it's not forced > at pressure down the > > lungs. The mask can be used in this set up to > enable enriched air EAR on > > an > > unconscious patient > > > > Grant > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Taylor, John <john.taylor@cs*.co*.uk*> > > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com > <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > > Date: 13 December 1999 10:14 > > Subject: RE: Making Asses & Purging, Not > Resuscitating. > > > > > > >Esat, > > > > > >Please let me know me what the BSAC +ve pressure > protocol is, since I > > have > > >attended the BSAC Oxygen Administrator course on > several occasions, and > > >don't remember this being mentioned, let alone > taught. May be the > > >instructors forgot? Or is this not part of the OA > course? Where did you > > >attend your course? > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > >JT > > >-- > > >John Taylor > > >CREDIT | FIRST > > >SUISSE | BOSTON > > >Equity Derivatives and Convertibles Unit > > >* +852 2101 6927 (Office) > > >* +852 2101 7698 (Fax) > > >* +852 9031 6395 (Mobile) > > >* mailto:john.taylor@cs*.co*.uk* > > >* mailto:live4diving@ho*.co* > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Esat Atikkan [SMTP:atikkan@ya*.co*] > > >> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:40 PM > > >> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com > > >> Subject: Re: Making Asses & Purging, Not > Resuscitating. > > >> > > >> Easop wrote: > > >> > > >> [snip] > > >> >Listen to a doc or better yet a medic > regarding > > >> >resuscitation. They have track records. > Purging with > > >> >02 is unsafe. One anonymous MD who George > quotes > > >> >doesn't make it safe. > > >> > > >> It probably best to decide what the discussion > is > > >> about. > > >> > > >> Many agencies, BSAC & DAN included, have +ve > pressure > > >> ventilation protocoles in place. They use the > > >> standrad demand valve, on a hard dry surface to > > >> ventilate an unconscious victim w/ 100% O2. > > >> > > >> In the US at least many EMSs do not include +ve > P > > >> ventilation via a demand vlave for a # of > reasons. As > > >> a matter they don't musch like the demand > valve. They > > >> rather use a non-rebreather mask for a > spontaneously > > >> bretahing victim & a bag valve mask, w/ > intubation, > > >> for an unconscious one. Anyone who has any > interest > > >> or knowledge of the field knows this & > reasoning > > >> behind it. > > >> > > >> The most obvious is that their 'on time' w/ > victim is > > >> short & they turn over the victim to definitive > care. > > >> > > >> Divers R trained w/ protocoles that look @ > transit > > >> times of some duration (1-2 h) & thus the tech > > >> employed R a little different - hence the > demand valve > > >> for near 100% O2 adm, be it in the regular mode > > >> (conscious victim) or +ve P mode (unconscious > victim). > > >> > > >> Now in water resuscitation using deco O2 > through a > > >> scuba reg is another matter. Despite the > prevalance > > >> of the use of a demand valve on a hard (read > out of > > >> water) surface, the in water use of this system > > >> remains unproven. It may B effective, it may > do some > > >> damage where it is the lesser of the 2 evils. > > >> > > >> However it does not, currently, appear to be > in > > >> widespread use. > > >> > > >> Effective sealing of reg & victim's nose, as > well as > > >> the adm of the gas @ less that 40 L/min while > towing > > >> remain issues. > > >> > > >> IN many cases w/ short distance to shore or > rapid p/u > > >> by boat resuscitation may actually delay > effective > > >> TRT. > > >> > > >> As it is obvious to those who have had the > misfortune > > >> of dealing w/ rescues & assists, in the field > each is > > >> unique & outside of the general principles > (ABC's, do > > >> no further harm, etc) the acumen to wing it > when > > >> necessary becomes important. > > >> > > >> Safe bubbles > > >> > > >> Esat Atikkan > > >> > __________________________________________________ > > >> Do You Yahoo!? > > >> Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > All in one place. > > >> Yahoo! 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