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So to use that information as an argument for positive pressure ventilation would be at least tenuous? Since: a) the regulator is non-standard and: b) does not use positive pressure to ventilate the lungs -- John Taylor CREDIT | FIRST SUISSE | BOSTON Equity Derivatives and Convertibles Unit * +852 2101 6927 (Office) * +852 2101 7698 (Fax) * +852 9031 6395 (Mobile) * mailto:john.taylor@cs*.co*.uk* * mailto:live4diving@ho*.co* > -----Original Message----- > From: Grant Jones [SMTP:grant@ow*.fr*.co*.uk*] > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 4:17 AM > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com > Subject: Re: Making Asses & Purging, Not Resuscitating. > > John, > > I think Esat, is getting + 02 pressure, confused with the > constant-flow > outlet on a 02 set that delivers around about 10 Lt / min to a strapped on > face mask, when the patient breathes in they get a lung-full of 02, > otherwise the 02 just runs away - it's not forced at pressure down the > lungs. The mask can be used in this set up to enable enriched air EAR on > an > unconscious patient > > Grant > -----Original Message----- > From: Taylor, John <john.taylor@cs*.co*.uk*> > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > Date: 13 December 1999 10:14 > Subject: RE: Making Asses & Purging, Not Resuscitating. > > > >Esat, > > > >Please let me know me what the BSAC +ve pressure protocol is, since I > have > >attended the BSAC Oxygen Administrator course on several occasions, and > >don't remember this being mentioned, let alone taught. May be the > >instructors forgot? Or is this not part of the OA course? Where did you > >attend your course? > > > >Regards, > > > >JT > >-- > >John Taylor > >CREDIT | FIRST > >SUISSE | BOSTON > >Equity Derivatives and Convertibles Unit > >* +852 2101 6927 (Office) > >* +852 2101 7698 (Fax) > >* +852 9031 6395 (Mobile) > >* mailto:john.taylor@cs*.co*.uk* > >* mailto:live4diving@ho*.co* > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Esat Atikkan [SMTP:atikkan@ya*.co*] > >> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:40 PM > >> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com > >> Subject: Re: Making Asses & Purging, Not Resuscitating. > >> > >> Easop wrote: > >> > >> [snip] > >> >Listen to a doc or better yet a medic regarding > >> >resuscitation. They have track records. Purging with > >> >02 is unsafe. One anonymous MD who George quotes > >> >doesn't make it safe. > >> > >> It probably best to decide what the discussion is > >> about. > >> > >> Many agencies, BSAC & DAN included, have +ve pressure > >> ventilation protocoles in place. They use the > >> standrad demand valve, on a hard dry surface to > >> ventilate an unconscious victim w/ 100% O2. > >> > >> In the US at least many EMSs do not include +ve P > >> ventilation via a demand vlave for a # of reasons. As > >> a matter they don't musch like the demand valve. They > >> rather use a non-rebreather mask for a spontaneously > >> bretahing victim & a bag valve mask, w/ intubation, > >> for an unconscious one. Anyone who has any interest > >> or knowledge of the field knows this & reasoning > >> behind it. > >> > >> The most obvious is that their 'on time' w/ victim is > >> short & they turn over the victim to definitive care. > >> > >> Divers R trained w/ protocoles that look @ transit > >> times of some duration (1-2 h) & thus the tech > >> employed R a little different - hence the demand valve > >> for near 100% O2 adm, be it in the regular mode > >> (conscious victim) or +ve P mode (unconscious victim). > >> > >> Now in water resuscitation using deco O2 through a > >> scuba reg is another matter. Despite the prevalance > >> of the use of a demand valve on a hard (read out of > >> water) surface, the in water use of this system > >> remains unproven. It may B effective, it may do some > >> damage where it is the lesser of the 2 evils. > >> > >> However it does not, currently, appear to be in > >> widespread use. > >> > >> Effective sealing of reg & victim's nose, as well as > >> the adm of the gas @ less that 40 L/min while towing > >> remain issues. > >> > >> IN many cases w/ short distance to shore or rapid p/u > >> by boat resuscitation may actually delay effective > >> TRT. > >> > >> As it is obvious to those who have had the misfortune > >> of dealing w/ rescues & assists, in the field each is > >> unique & outside of the general principles (ABC's, do > >> no further harm, etc) the acumen to wing it when > >> necessary becomes important. > >> > >> Safe bubbles > >> > >> Esat Atikkan > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. > >> Yahoo! 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