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From: "Paltz, Art" <Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*>
To: "'Manos Manoli'" <manos@ma*.co*.cy*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: Bootom timer vs multi-gas computer
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:10:24 -0500
Stay away from the Cochran's!!!!!  Sorry Joel, I think they suck.....  I
have a Commander NITROX that when it worked was good but sucked big time
when it crapped out (about half the time on repeat dive).  I've sent it back
twice and still happens.  I've heard good things about the Nitek though.
The Commander would be fine on the first dive and would get me a little more
time than the tables (I'm not wall diving but wreck diving so the depth
varies by maybe 15 feet of MAX).  On the repeat dive when it worked I'd get
out a little before my tables but when it crapped out it wanted me to stay
in for hours!  Also, I have a lot of friends that have dive computers.
Typically if you're staying within recreational limits or really small deco
they work fine.  When you start to do more aggressive deco (especially with
deco gas) they really have trouble and don't buy you much on the repeat
dive.

My suggestion is that you really shouldn't be doing dives where your depth
is varying by a lot without a plan (i.e. a cave).  Remember going up and
down during the dive is more probably to create bubbles and cause trouble.
Plan the dive and dive the plan.  I used to run my Commander with no
conservative setting and on square profiles it was worthless.  Basically the
same as my Decom tables.  I started using it as a bottom timer about a year
or two ago and strictly follow tables now.  Went to use it 2 weeks ago and
the damn thing had totally crapped out.  Tried new batteries after checking
the voltage but no good.  I don't think I'll send it back cause they'll
probably charge me more to fix it than for me to buy a nice new shinny
bottom timer.

Just my $.02,
Art.


		-----Original Message-----
		From:	Manos Manoli [mailto:manos@ma*.co*.cy*]
		Sent:	Friday, December 10, 1999 10:32 AM
		To:	techdiver@aquanaut.com
		Subject:	Bootom timer vs multi-gas computer

		Do you remember when you bought your first air computer how
much
		dive time you gained vs your diving tables. ? We are in a
similar
		position now.
		It seams that although bottom timers ( along a pre plan
computer
		software )
		work fine with cave divers it simply waisting a lot of dive
time on
		dives in
		open sea specially when exploring new areas  where depth
varies every
		minute.

		( i still cannot figure it out how can you explore the
unknown
		  with a bottom timer, being most of the time much higher
than your max
		depth
		   its a rocky multi level rock side here in the Greek
Island of
		Cyprus).

		 Thinking of purchasing a multi-gas underwater computer , i
wanna her
		some advice , brand , models  from people with  experience
using them

		Rgds Manos Manoli.



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