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Hi Joel
Are you saying that this is the same crap we read in the paper. I mean 
every guy who gets caught red handed with murder or some other crap he has 
done, uses something from their past to justify what he has done. Like the 
guy who says he rapes women because his dad was a drunk and abused him as a 
child.If that is it then Peter should file a law suit in Vons behave, 
before this past thing with the Todd family causes a real problem like 
murder.We all saw what was wrote, it would be best to teach the boy now 
before it gets out of hand.Don't you think.


At 10:07 AM 12/10/99 -0500, Joel Markwell wrote:
>John Todd sez:
>
> > Thank you for your concern.  It has been tough for Todd and his younger
> > brother Ted.  Their parents were killed by two drunk drivers who, as fate
> > would have it, were lawyers on their way home from some kind of social in
> > North Central Florida.  I had already gone off to college and Richard 
> was in
> > the Navy Seal's.  His dream was to start a dive shop once he got out 
> like the
> > rest of his buddies did.  The two youngest Todd's were raised by their 
> sister
> > (whatever you do, don't get her pissed!) and sometimes they get a 
> little out
> > of hand.
>
>Not to be TOO insensitive about this, but welcome to the club. I wonder how
>many on here have had worse happen to them and NOT had a Tourette's Syndrome
>attack? I have things in my past, distant and not too distant, that are
>tragic. Losses in my family recently and over the last few years, the loss
>of my Mother when I was 2, but somehow I've managed to get over it without
>exorcising my rage in public. It's disgusting to me that something that
>happened so far in their past should be used as an excuse for immature
>behavior now. I'm sorry for what happened to them, but it's time to grow up
>and get over it, most others have.
>
>Then Peter sez:
>
> > Do you know either Susan or Bill?  They are both excellent divers--as
> > indeed, are nearly all of those of us who actually try to pick up useful
> > knowledge from this list only to incur the wrath of the Irvinites.  Do you
> > know how many hundreds of people who have quit this list and despise the
> > whole lot of the WKPPers for their egotistical insensitivities?  In 
> spite of
> > his underwater accomplishments, most divers think that George and his
> > syncophants are unadulterated pricks.  And this is from mostly people who
> > have never met him.  I do not share this opinion but can only remain
> > ambivalent to George as I too, have not met him.
>
>This broad-brush approach is BS too. I consider myself, in a sense, an
>"Irvinite." I believe in what he's tried to accomplish towards safety and
>diving sense. I practice much of what he preaches. I've met he and much of
>his team and I consider them to be good folks for the most part. I suggest
>that you remark on what you know and separate the online immaturity and
>insult from the advice and dive reports. It doesn't do you any good to have
>a continual case of the ass for the WKPP'ers because of some bad behavior
>online. It keeps you from being engaged and contributing intelligently and
>it's ultimately distracting. When George says SMD, just ask where and when
>and move on. You might find areas of common ground and you may even find a
>comment or two funny yourself. A sense of humor is paramount to happy (but
>not necessarily contented) survival on Techdiver. The alternative is
>elevated blood pressure and a sour disposition. Besides, it's Christmas,
>Ebeneezer, be of good cheer! <seg>
>
>Merry Xmas,
>
>JoeL
>
>PS--John-I didn't find Peter's note on the Techdiver list, so I assume it
>was a private note you posted publicly.
>
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