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billy wrote:
>I asked you a question. Can't you answer it?
>And if one is applying POSITIVE PRESSURE oxygen,
>is a 100% seal between the mouth and the reg absolutely
>necessary? (That's another question, Grant).
Unless you can seal the mouth / reg 100%, water will enter, remember
there isn't always a positive pressure in the lungs (you have to let the
remaining 02 out) and the chances of you hitting the purge button at the
exact moment that the out ward flow stops are very slim, at that point water
will enter and then get blown straight into the lungs by your next purge,
possibly causing further problems.
>> >SInce one is also not breathing into the victim, swimming
>> >would be easier than when applying EAR. You can either tell me
>> >why this assumption is incorrect. Or just keep trying to find
>> >a hole.
>> Are you telling me that you can't swim / tow and carry out EAR at the
>>same time
Since Im failing to get this point, maybe you could explain it, how is
it easier?
>> And why do you use the victims mouth during EAR ?, isn't it easier to
>>seal the mouth and use the nose - I take it you have done EAR in the
water.
>
>Is this an assumption Grant? I thought you said you could
>NEVER trust them
Is it an assumption that mouth to nose is easier than mouth to mouth ?,
no it's a fact
Which agency taught you to use mouth to mouth instead of mouth to nose
in the water?, I was assuming that you had done EAR in the water, are you
telling us that you haven't ?, or are you telling us that mouth to mouth is
easier than mouth to nose?
>Are you sure you're not
>just a drooling example of the dangers of repeated deep air
>exposures? A sort of Living Lesion?
Doubt it very much, as I don't do deep air (I did warn you about
assumptions)
>Er, I believe I was the one who said I would go and try it,
>remember? 1. understanding - theory. 2. Practice - trial.
>3. Preparedness to use it.. WHat part of the above sequence is
>gicving you all this difficulty?
Not giving me any, but you will answer alot of your posed questions (and
correct your assumptions) when you actually try it in the water, then you
can come back and talk facts.
Im just a helpful instructor trying to help out a paranoid newbie, who
seems to think that if some one disagrees with what he posts, then their
"looking for holes"
Grant
-----Original Message-----
From: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>
To: techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: 01 December 1999 03:03
Subject: Re: Re:legalities of purging someone
>At 07:39 30/11/99 , Grant Jones wrote:
>>billy wrote:
>>
>> >SInce one is also not breathing into the victim, swimming
>> >would be easier than when applying EAR. You can either tell me
>> >why this assumption is incorrect. Or just keep trying to find
>> >a hole.
>>
>> Are you telling me that you can't swim / tow and carry out EAR at the
>>same time
>
>No Grant. read it again. Or better still, get someone to
>read it for you. You're not doing very well on your own.
>
>>- or is this some thing else you figured out sitting in front of
>>your PC ? - when you've been and done it you can come back and tell us if
>>you think its easier, thats the problem with assumptions, you can never
>>trust them in the real world.
>
>Never, Grant? Never? Don't be a clot.
>
>
>> >Let's see, I have control of the reg and the nose. Where
>> >does the water get in? And unlike the rescuer's mouth during
>> >EAR, the reg never leaves the victim's mouth.
>>
>> And you can guarantee a 100% seal between the mouth and the reg ?,
>
>I asked you a question. Can't you answer it?
>And if one is applying POSITIVE PRESSURE oxygen,
>is a 100% seal between the mouth and the reg absolutely
>necessary? (That's another question, Grant).
>
>>as I
>>said before go and try it, then come back and you can discuss it in real
>>terms, not theory.
>
>Er, I believe I was the one who said I would go and try it,
>remember? 1. understanding - theory. 2. Practice - trial.
>3. Preparedness to use it. WHat part of the above sequence is
>gicving you all this difficulty?
>
>Grant, you have poor reading skills, abysmal comprehension,
>a very short attention span, and once round your bowl and your
>memory's wiped clean, you poor bugger. Are you sure you're not
>just a drooling example of the dangers of repeated deep air
>exposures? A sort of Living Lesion?
>
>
>> And why do you use the victims mouth during EAR ?, isn't it easier to
>>seal the mouth and use the nose - I take it you have done EAR in the
water.
>
>Is this an assumption Grant? I thought you said you could
>NEVER trust them.
>
>My argument was with those who said positive pressure
>02 should absolutely NOT be administered through a scuba
>regulator. I am working out how to do it. I will post the results
>to the list.
>
>You can keep trying Grant but you won't find any holes.
>
> billyw
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>
>>To: techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>Date: 29 November 1999 09:39
>>Subject: Re: Re:legalities of purging someone
>>
>>
>> >At 05:27 28/11/99 , Grant Jones wrote:
>> >>billy wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >The only assumption I made was about swimming being easier
>> >> >while using a reg one handed than while administering EAR
>> >>
>> >> And:
>> >>
>> >> >If I can operate the reg with one hand,
>> >> >that leaves one hand free to extend the neck and/or seal the
>> >> >nose.
>> >>
>> >> So its not really one handed is it?, its two, same as in EAR
>> >
>> >I don;t know why you're not getting this Grant.
>> >The reg is being operated ONE-Handed, not TWO. SO the other hand
>> >is free to pinching the nose and perhaps straighten the airway.
>> >
>> >SInce one is also not breathing into the victim, swimming
>> >would be easier than when applying EAR. You can either tell me
>> >why this assumption is incorrect. Or just keep trying to find
>> >a hole.
>
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