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From: <bdi@wh*.ne*>
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 16:23:15 +1100
To: "techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: Re:legalities of purging someone
At 06:49  2/12/99 , Grant Jones wrote:
>billy wrote:
>
> >I asked you a question. Can't you answer it?
> >And if one is applying POSITIVE PRESSURE oxygen,
> >is a 100% seal between the mouth and the reg absolutely
> >necessary? (That's another question, Grant).
>
>     Unless you can seal the mouth / reg 100%, water will enter, remember
>there isn't always a positive pressure in the lungs (you have to let the
>remaining 02 out) and the chances of you hitting the purge button at the
>exact moment that the out ward flow stops are very slim, at that point water
>will enter and then get blown straight into the lungs by your next purge,
>possibly causing further problems.

There. That didn't hurt. did it?


> >> >SInce one is also not breathing into the victim, swimming
> >> >would be easier than when applying EAR. You can either tell me
> >> >why this assumption is incorrect. Or just keep trying to find
> >> >a hole.
> >>     Are you telling me that you can't swim / tow and carry out EAR at the
> >>same time
>
>     Since Im failing to get this point, maybe you could explain it, how is
>it easier?

Look up at the paragraph, Grant. See where it says "since one
is not breathing into the victim....." There! That's why I assume
it is easier. Got it yet?


> >>     And why do you use the victims mouth during EAR ?, isn't it easier to
> >>seal the mouth and use the nose - I take it you have done EAR in the
>water.
> >
> >Is this an assumption Grant?  I thought you said you could
> >NEVER trust them
>
>     Is it an assumption that mouth to nose is easier than mouth to mouth ?,
>no it's a fact
>     Which agency taught you to use mouth to mouth instead of mouth to nose
>in the water?, I was assuming that you had done EAR in the water, are you
>telling us that you haven't ?, or are you telling us that mouth to mouth is
>easier than mouth to nose?
>
> >Are you sure you're not
> >just a drooling example of the dangers of repeated deep air
> >exposures? A sort of Living Lesion?
>
>     Doubt it very much, as I don't do deep air (I did warn you about
>assumptions)
>
> >Er, I believe I was the one who said I would go and try it,
> >remember?  1. understanding - theory. 2. Practice - trial.
> >3. Preparedness to use it.. WHat part of the above sequence is
> >gicving you all this difficulty?
>
>     Not giving me any,
>  but you will answer alot of your posed questions (and
>correct your assumptions) when you actually try it in the water, then you
>can come back and talk facts.
>    Im just a helpful instructor trying to help out a paranoid newbie, who
>seems to think that if some one disagrees with what he posts, then their
>"looking for holes"

Ah. I forgot! You're an instroketor! That explains the running inter-
ference. And the reluctance to impart useful information. I guess you don't 
like the idea of us non-instructors figuring it out and declaring you 
redundant. Guess what.

rgrds    billyw

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