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Pete, this is a great post - not only do we have Big Von's real name
"Bill Von Haene", we have genuine comedy as well. By "great divers", do
you mean the deep air divers, or what? Who are these great divers? I
talk to most everyone who does diving that is for real because they
phone me up to compare notes, as do all of the cave divers  everywhere
who do the real thing, and yet I find that the really great divers do
not get on this list because of the Bill Von Haenes and the rest who
harrass them to no end with stupidity. 

You do not see 99% of the WKPP on here, you do not see the WKPP
rebreather divers on the reabrerather list, and you do not see the WKPP
cave divers on the cavers list, and if you have divers any better than
those guys in mind, I want their names so I can get them diving with us
or compare notes with them.

The fact is that you only see me and Jess and a couple of others,
because we like to stop bullshit in its tracks, and when you show me one
person who has contributed more good information to this list than I
have in the last five years, or one person who has taken his time to
show others more things than Jess has, I will meet you at Macy's.

Pete, start a new tech list where bondage wings, deep air and bullshit
are welcomed with open arms. I will not be on the list, I am not on any
but this and our own (WKPP@eg*.co*). There are many other lists,
like the vb tech list, the FL tech list, the Houston Cave list, and many
many more. IANTD has its own list ( pause while I wipe the Coke off of
the screen) and so forth. GUE has its own list. There is a list for
owners of the Inspriation Rebreather, but you might find it a little
"dead" from time to time.

If you do not like it here, unsubscribe. I personally get tons of good
info off of here because there are people on here who are very talented
and very smart. I get to know most of them sooner or later. 

You need to take the coulottes off and strap on a set, Petie. Some of
the guys with whom I have had my best and most obnoxious fights are now
my pals. Garvin even came down here and went diving with me. Even Rolfe
and I talk to each other. Pete, get a grip.  


HESSIANS@ao*.co* wrote:
> 
> MHKane accuses Bill Von Haene of "making an ass of himself" for having the
> termerity--and the diving credentials--to disagree with the WKPP Guru, George
> Irvine.  Having regularly read the invective that the WKPP claims as an
> intelligent discourse on technical diving, I find it to be the height of
> hypocrisy for any Invine-ite to accuse someone else of making an ass of
> himself.
> 
> Thousands of gifted technical divers have given up on this list because the
> Irvine-ites refuse to divorce their mudslinging from practical, helpful
> information.  You guys do not have all the answers and DIR--which, by your
> own admission, is still evolving--is not the Manna from Heaven.
> 
> Before y'all line up to flame me, pause for a moment (if this is possible)
> and consider how much more valuable this list would be if contrasting
> viewpoints were afforded the same respect that you seem to reserve
> exclusively for your champion.  Imagine the great divers who would regularly
> be a part of such discussions.
> 
> Sadly, this list is becoming nothing more than WKPP fans congrulating
> themselves on their (admittedly impressive) accomplishments.  We can do much
> better than this.
> Peter Hess
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