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My, oh my what has become of this list?  

On the one hand, Grant, the British knight in shining armor, who, though he 
has yet to make contribution one to this list, jumps to defend stupidity 
where ever it rears its ugly head.  

On the other, the human vacuum cleaner Von argues that "hey, if I suck gas 
like a Hoover upright I'll just strap on more shit."

Between these two, Irvine needs never post again.  Just read everything these 
two have ever written and do the opposite.
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