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Hi Steve
Since my original post , I felt the need to know the truth myself , I
called John Moyer.I do not need to talk to Gary has he has his version in
the book.I would have called Billy Deans , but don't know him personally.I
knew you would handle anything on your end as you have already done.
I talked to John for some time and this is what he told me.
John said that to the best he could remember it was over the trail line or
something , but was not sure , he had already spoken to Billy Deans the
night before as they were talking about the post and ME as Billy had
already heard about the post and wanted to know something about me.John had
told him(Billy) that I had not been attacking him and that he would send
him a copy of the post if Billy wanted it to see for himself as someone had
added things to it when they told him , John also told him he would enjoy
diving with me if he got the chance , since they were good friends Billy
dropped it at that.As to how much of the Wahoo thing they went over I don't
know.
To the point , John has said I may quote him on this if it ever came up, as
he will not post himself , he is a lurker.
To him the main point to the story is true , meaning its does not matter if
it was the trail line , chase boat , or any other function of the
boat.Since you already have posted it on your web site I feel it is Ok to
post it now.
The fact that Janet said she did not care if the Italians died as long as
it happen when they're off her boat , they're on their own, is the
point.John Moyer said that it happen and was true.
At that point we both agreed the best thing would be to just let it go away
, as things on techdiver have a week or two of life and fade away.
I had no plan to ever bring it up again , on the boat last Sunday a diver
ask me why my name was on the wahoo web site , I did not know about it , so
I looked and there is this covering it all.I still would not have said
anything but , I got an email from JIM Cobb that I thought was private and
replied to it asking him if he had seen it , VBtech has no approve to be
done so it went to all and I could not stop it.He in turn loves to get
things going and answered only on VBtech it is a small list sever but you
are on it.
But now you have put it on techdiver which goes to alot , which I will answer.
I always feel when I come out here I am armed with the truth , sometimes I
may be misinformed and will correct these things if I can.This is one
reason I am able to put up with Georges crap.
As for Gary , I know Gary , have dived with Gary , what do I think of Gary
, thats my opinion and I will keep it to myself.
I will say this , as I have tried to write stories for my web site to help
others not make the same mistakes as I have seen , lessons are learned from
those that have done it, seen it , still do it.I get permission from the
divers I write about and yes they all do not think what I see is what
really happen , some of my stories do not make print as these people I
consider my friends and they do not wish to be written about good or bad.I
have been called an asshole by my own friends before and we are still
friends.They just do not wish to be in the light and so I spare them the
pen if they ask.
No two people will ever see the same thing when it comes to details in a
story , thats really true if it is something nasty or cast a bad shadow on
them.
But to let you know the score here , out of the 4 people that heard this ,
2 said it happen , Janet says it didn't , the only one not to have said
anything is Billy Deans.I do not think he will come out to answer this.
Let it go Steve !
JT
At 02:22 PM 11/25/99 -0500, Wahooorg@ao*.co* wrote:
capt jt
Were not off the wall, Gary lied, and this is all because a woman fired
him gary felt, if he bashed everyone in his book that he had a problem with
over the years, there was no way they could set the record straight, but Gary
never figured that the Internet was be able to level the playing field. Gary
out right lied in his books, but in the writing field its called Artistic
Historical writing I have been calling all the people involved to get
everyone version of what they remembered, so when I publish it on my site it
will be what happened not Gary artistic version. The consenses from everyone
that has crewed with Gary is, he's lazy and spent most of his time in his
bunk. Gary even wrote in his book his friend Jon Hulbert said Gary stories
are different from what happened.
I have a copy of the letters that Gary and George Hoffman wrote back in
the 70's that started Gary problem with George, I will publish them as I get
the time. Did Gary ever write how after giving George Hoffman a chamber pot
from the Oregon as a gift he showed up at George house while George was away
and asked George wife to return the chamber pot to him. because he and George
were no longer friends?
Have you ever asked Gary for his "C" card? Gary thinks he above being
asked to show his card. Back 1986 at the Oregon's 100 Anniversary dive I
asked for his "C" card, when I did the sign in and Gary became very
indignant and said" nobody else ever asked the see my card" it seem that
even my other crew had never asked to see his card, Gary being so impressed
with himself didn't want to show his basic card. he was embarrassed in front
of Tom Packer, Steve Gatto and the other divers, he later told me being asked
to show his "C" card.
For some reason you think Gary is more than just another diver, he's not
just a little lazier and and tell a lie with more interest.
Captain Steve bielenda
In a message dated 11/23/99 4:17:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
captjt@mi*.co* writes:
<< Thats a small sampling , hey have you gone to the wahoo web site and
seen
the crap that got started with the post about Gary book , man they gone off
the deep end with it.
>>
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