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George, your not expected to understand it , you must know what is going on to do that. But as always you can fill in the blank spaces if want , just start with the one between your ears. At 08:30 AM 11/26/99 -0500, kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote: >JT, every time I read something you write, or should I say "attempt" to >read it, it makes me feel guilty for not putting any money in the >Jerry's Kids jars at the Seven Elevens. > > >Capt JT wrote: > > > > Hi Steve > > Since my original post , I felt the need to know the truth myself , I > > called John Moyer.I do not need to talk to Gary has he has his version in > > the book.I would have called Billy Deans , but don't know him personally.I > > knew you would handle anything on your end as you have already done. > > I talked to John for some time and this is what he told me. > > > > John said that to the best he could remember it was over the trail line or > > something , but was not sure , he had already spoken to Billy Deans the > > night before as they were talking about the post and ME as Billy had > > already heard about the post and wanted to know something about me.John had > > told him(Billy) that I had not been attacking him and that he would send > > him a copy of the post if Billy wanted it to see for himself as someone had > > added things to it when they told him , John also told him he would enjoy > > diving with me if he got the chance , since they were good friends Billy > > dropped it at that.As to how much of the Wahoo thing they went over I don't > > know. > > To the point , John has said I may quote him on this if it ever came up, as > > he will not post himself , he is a lurker. > > To him the main point to the story is true , meaning its does not matter if > > it was the trail line , chase boat , or any other function of the > > boat.Since you already have posted it on your web site I feel it is Ok to > > post it now. > > The fact that Janet said she did not care if the Italians died as long as > > it happen when they're off her boat , they're on their own, is the > > point.John Moyer said that it happen and was true. > > At that point we both agreed the best thing would be to just let it go away > > , as things on techdiver have a week or two of life and fade away. > > I had no plan to ever bring it up again , on the boat last Sunday a diver > > ask me why my name was on the wahoo web site , I did not know about it , so > > I looked and there is this covering it all.I still would not have said > > anything but , I got an email from JIM Cobb that I thought was private and > > replied to it asking him if he had seen it , VBtech has no approve to be > > done so it went to all and I could not stop it.He in turn loves to get > > things going and answered only on VBtech it is a small list sever but you > > are on it. > > But now you have put it on techdiver which goes to alot , which I will > answer. > > I always feel when I come out here I am armed with the truth , sometimes I > > may be misinformed and will correct these things if I can.This is one > > reason I am able to put up with Georges crap. > > As for Gary , I know Gary , have dived with Gary , what do I think of Gary > > , thats my opinion and I will keep it to myself. > > I will say this , as I have tried to write stories for my web site to help > > others not make the same mistakes as I have seen , lessons are learned from > > those that have done it, seen it , still do it.I get permission from the > > divers I write about and yes they all do not think what I see is what > > really happen , some of my stories do not make print as these people I > > consider my friends and they do not wish to be written about good or bad.I > > have been called an asshole by my own friends before and we are still > > friends.They just do not wish to be in the light and so I spare them the > > pen if they ask. > > No two people will ever see the same thing when it comes to details in a > > story , thats really true if it is something nasty or cast a bad shadow on > > them. > > But to let you know the score here , out of the 4 people that heard this , > > 2 said it happen , Janet says it didn't , the only one not to have said > > anything is Billy Deans.I do not think he will come out to answer this. > > Let it go Steve ! > > > > JT > > > > At 02:22 PM 11/25/99 -0500, Wahooorg@ao*.co* wrote: > > capt jt > > Were not off the wall, Gary lied, and this is all because a > woman fired > > him gary felt, if he bashed everyone in his book that he had a problem with > > over the years, there was no way they could set the record straight, > but Gary > > never figured that the Internet was be able to level the playing field. > Gary > > out right lied in his books, but in the writing field its called Artistic > > Historical writing I have been calling all the people involved to get > > everyone version of what they remembered, so when I publish it on my > site it > > will be what happened not Gary artistic version. The consenses from > everyone > > that has crewed with Gary is, he's lazy and spent most of his time in his > > bunk. Gary even wrote in his book his friend Jon Hulbert said Gary stories > > are different from what happened. > > I have a copy of the letters that Gary and George Hoffman wrote > back in > > the 70's that started Gary problem with George, I will publish them as > I get > > the time. Did Gary ever write how after giving George Hoffman a chamber pot > > from the Oregon as a gift he showed up at George house while George was > away > > and asked George wife to return the chamber pot to him. because he and > George > > were no longer friends? > > Have you ever asked Gary for his "C" card? Gary thinks he above being > > asked to show his card. Back 1986 at the Oregon's 100 Anniversary dive I > > asked for his "C" card, when I did the sign in and Gary became very > > indignant and said" nobody else ever asked the see my card" it seem that > > even my other crew had never asked to see his card, Gary being so impressed > > with himself didn't want to show his basic card. he was embarrassed in > front > > of Tom Packer, Steve Gatto and the other divers, he later told me being > asked > > to show his "C" card. > > For some reason you think Gary is more than just another diver, > he's not > > just a little lazier and and tell a lie with more interest. > > Captain Steve bielenda > > > > In a message dated 11/23/99 4:17:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > captjt@mi*.co* writes: > > > > << Thats a small sampling , hey have you gone to the wahoo web site and > seen > > the crap that got started with the post about Gary book , man they > gone off > > the deep end with it. > > >> > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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