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Sometimes yes it is warm at depth, and sometimes is it a horror, paradoxicly it is coldest at depth in the late summer. The fact is I live in the Carribean, and that is why I do not go out to a deep dive unprepared and have to abort due to the cold layer being higher on the day I dive. I know better now. What we are talking about here is practices that make sense, not isolated incidents where we were able to drive home drunk by shuttting one eye, Esat. You know me well, you have seen me, you have seen me in the water. If anyone could get away with anything and live through it, it would be me, yet you do not see me trying, do you? That is becuase I already did and saw how ridiculous some of these things are , especially relative to doing it properly, and both Jarrod and I spend a great deal of time now going over the fine deatails of these practices and being sure that we not only do them ourselves, but that we properly articulate them for others to use. When somebody shows up that can outgun us as a team in the water, I will get out my kneepads. When anyhone can come up wiht an arguemtn on any of this that makes any more sense that what I am saying, then I will bring those kneepads to 34 St and meet you at Macy's window. If you dive wet, the suit is paper at depth and gives no thermal or lift. In that case you need to be in warm water and have tanks that have buoyancy characteristics such that when you drop your external weight, you can get up with ease. If you are wearing a shell drysauit with insulation, they offset the heavier steel tanks, and you can still get up. This is not rocket science, it is common sense. There is no good argument to the contrary. Esat Atikkan wrote: > > Definition of cold may B relevant. > 350 was pretty warm (78-80) in the Carib. > Safe bubbles > Esat Atikkan > > --- kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote: > > The ocean is cold at 350, I live here, I dive here, > > I know it is cold at > > 350. It is cold at 350 everywhere, but you do not > > know that because you > > are bs'ing the list. The dehydration is nonsense - > > take a squeeze bottle > > - if you actually did what you say you do, you would > > also know this one. > > > > bigvon@be*.ne* wrote: > > > > > > Blow Horn > > > You obviously have never made a dive in warm > > Caribbean water or you would understand the > > dehydration > > > issue. > > > > > > And if you read my post you moron you would > > understand that the BC is flipped around, not upside > > down. > > > What a buffoon. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > Mat Bloedorn wrote: > > > > > > > Pawn, > > > > > > > > You are in fact the master of misdirection! > > > > > > > > How are you going to handle anything but warm > > water? The issue of warm water has been addressed > > > > already by George and others. Read the posts. > > Oh yes, you were worried about dehydration. > > > > That's right. You are quite correct that a (is > > it 1/8 inch?) wetsuit provides far less insulation > > > > that a trilam drysuit with minimal underwear > > (t-shirt and shorts?) at the deco stops. So you'd be > > > > far more comfortable in that wetsuit (yah > > right). You are quite correct that an upside down > > BC > > > > with waist level inflation makes far more > > sense... > > > > > > > > Pawn, > > > > > > > > I can't wait for the video so we can all see the > > full explanation of the Big Pawn system. I'm > > > > looking forward to the video shots of the gear > > in use. > > > > > > > > When will the web-site be up? > > > > > > > > Mat. > > > > > > > > --- bigvon@be*.ne* wrote: > > > > > Like I said before George you are a master of > > misdirection. The discussion > > > > > was about deep warm water diving with steels > > without the use of a scooter.. > > > > > Not cold Britannic water with drysuits and > > scooters. > > > > > You still did not answer the question tough > > guy and I doubt you ever will. > > > > > Von > > > > > > > > > > kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Von, why don't you stop by GUE and > > straighten Jarrod out. I tried to > > > > > > tell him that diving the Britannic in a > > drysuit was not the Von method, > > > > > > and that since he was beyond 300, he should > > have had steels and a > > > > > > wetsuit, a backwards bc, two bottom timers > > in case his arm got bit off > > > > > > by a shark, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe you can come to a WKPP dive and tell > > me how to do more than a > > > > > > "bounce" dive, since I have very little > > experience with the kind of big > > > > > > bottom times you are doing, and show me > > about "exploring" and what I > > > > > > need to do in the way of "modifications " to > > accomplish these feats, > > > > > > short of the lobotomy is appears you forgot > > to tell us about. > > > > > > > > > > > > bigvon@be*.ne* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did laugh at THAT one. > > > > > > > I realize I am on the "DIR list", not > > techdiver. I will continue to > > > > > > > dive my way and you guys can stay above > > 300 and dive your way. No one > > > > > > > has addressed the deep issue. I am not > > advocating deep diving, just > > > > > > > commenting on a style that is safe. You > > WKPP guys keep bouncing the > > > > > > > wrecks and we will keep exploring them. > > > > > > > Von > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gordonjr wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Von, You place your backup wing on > > upside down, strap the > > > > > > > inflator to your waist strap, and > > orally inflate at waist > > > > > > > level?Hell, if I could do that I'd > > never leave the house > > > > > > > (credits to G.Carlin). JR Gordon > > "Just flip the BC over > > > > > > > and place it over the bolts as you do > > your primary B.C. > > > > > > > I loop a small loop of small bungie > > over the bottom bolt > > > > > > > before I assemble the > > > > > > > harness. This loop is placed over the > > power inflator > > > > > > > mechanism to secure it at > > > > > > > your right waist. There is no hose > > run to the inflator. 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