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Nice try, Jess. Once you have done it for real, then you and Karen can tell me how to do it. As per the usual, I have , you have not, and that is where all of your bull comes form - great thinking on land seldom works in the water. That is a fact. I can operate a demand reg, if you can not , don't try it, and once again, 99% of the time, you will be dealing with whatever gas is right there on the spot , usually on the surface of the water while you are holding the victim, the gas may not be oxygen, and once again, your long dragged out convoluted "method" is coming from a position of never ever having any experience with any of this - I have, and that is what makes all the difference. You do it YOUR way, I'll do it mine, and in our organization, those who are unwilling or unable to pet the pony on the spot don't get invited back, if indeed they get past the initial screens for such attitudes. This sounds like the gas sharing arguments of the personal preference crowd - if you can not do it in one motion and explain it in one line ,IT WILL NOT WORK UNDERWATER OR IN AN EMERGENCY. I'm still waiting for you geniuses to come after me on the in water recomprssion. Do me a huge favor - leave me out of these "discussions", or leave my name and the name of our organizations and our trademarks OUT of your nonsense, and DIR is a trademark, by the way. You can discuss this stupidity all you want, just leave us out of it. When yo have a stituation to reprot, bring it on an repert it - what you IMMAGINE is the right way to do something does not cut it in my book. Jesse Sands wrote: > > Seems to me there are three distinct topics going on under this thread: (1) > what is the BEST method of delivering oxygen to a drowning victim/possible > AGE until professional help arrives; (2) what are the legalities of doing > so; and (3) what have you done/would you do under the circumstances. > > Re (1), by my reading, Karen made a pretty convincing argument that, > although George's method has worked well in the past, there may be a better > way to do it that requires no additional equipment/convolutions. Sounds > like an argument to warm a DIR diver's heart, no? Sorry, Al, but your > citation doesn't add or subtract anything from her point. > > What matters is that, amid all the name-calling, George missed (or > disregarded?) Karen's suggestion of rescue breathing with the donor > breathing from an 02 reg, giving 96% O2. George replied that rescue > breathing gives you at best 17% O2, which just isn't so. Other than it > being a royal pain in the ass to keep up for an extended period of time, I'm > not sure what's wrong with Karen's method, and it certainly eliminates at > least one of the risks of George's method. Thus, I'd appreciate a good > explanation of why Karen's method doesn't offer a potential significant > improvement. By my reading of DIR, saying "my way has worked before," > standing alone, is basically the same as arguing personal preference. > > Re (2), Karen accurately stated the general rule regarding so-called good > samaritan liability. Given the vagaries of local laws, though, my guess > (not professional opinion -- I don't give those on mailing lists) would be > that Von is flirting with malpractice by saying that Karen's 100% right. > There are *always* caveats. But I don't practice in this area of the law, > so it's just a guess. [I sure do write like a typical lawyer when it comes > to legal subjects, don't I? I've got to work on that.] > > Re (3), George is obviously right that you do the best you can according to > the training you have and your common sense where that runs out, and worry > about the lawyers and other irrelevant bullshit later on. I can't see how > anyone with a conscience could disagree with that part. > > Regards to all, > Jesse > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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