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I have done it with double 80's and wetsuit, with 40 cu deco bottles, but then I did not stay 30 minutes at 350 because the deco would be more than makes any sense in the Gulfstream for reasons already discussed on here. Yes I have had situations where the dive got carried away and I paid the price of having to do a long deco, but in those cases there was no current, and we were straight up and down with no weather or shipping problems - in other wors, we got lucky and we did not do ikt again. Most of the time, this is not too smart, and I would not plan it that way. This is to be avoided. I seriously doubt a slob like you did 350 for 30 - I am sure you think you did after telling yourself that, but I really doubt it. 30 minutes to me means I get to the bottom and start counting that 30 minutes , and then stop counting when I leave the bottom - you probably start the count at the surface and continue back to the first deco stop. Well, at 60 fpm decent, and 33 fpm ascent, there is a quick 12 minutes of nothing that you call "bottom time". I call that an 18 minute bottom time . I really doubt a stroke like you could do even 5 minutes at "350" with anything but a CCR. I dive long dives at 300 on O/C and know exactly what the gas consumption and deco requirements are, you do not. I burn a stage at 300 for longer than any bottom time you ever did in your life at that depth, and I will guarantee that. I have done at least 3 times as many deep wreck dives as any kind of cave dive, and I know that game cold. You do not, and your "shark attack" "350 for 30" attempts at impressing us spell that out quite clearly - a wannabe with an attitude. I have never used my scooter for dives this deep in the ocean - I do not want to risk it. JJ has with his, but then he had more ground to cover and he knows the guy who makes them if they break. You can criticize my scooter diving when you have ANY CLUE what you are talking about, or when you can swim with me, Bill - that is a sure Macy's window bet - a 100% for sure. I did find out it was cold(er) at that depth ( anything beyond 150 really), so most every other time I did it, I used the drysuit and I still used the 40's. I have done it with both 104's and with 80's - there was no change in any of the configuration other than that I inflated the suit with a smaller bottle and it was on my hip, not my tanks, and my pressure guage had a larger clip on it thah my cave rig does, as do my ocean deco bottles for when I need the gloves. With many of the 80's dives, I also used an 80 stage of bottom gas. The aluminum 40's were on my hip, and the oxygen was either brought down to me when I got to 20 feet, or I used an aluminum 30 taken with me , also on the hip. What an idiot like you can not get through his thick head is that the rig NEEDS TO BE BALANCED. That means that the tanks need to be offset in such a manner that you can get up WIOTHOUT THE BC AT ALL, as in hose failure, gas failure, reg failure, bc failure, etc., and only the worst idiot would use double bc's that introduce a whole new set of ridiculous convolution and potential problems, not to mention bungees or restricted wings, when such a simple solution exists and makes more sense. You can't see the whole picture , Bill, but you sure have a huge mouth that keeps on yapping anyway with how to fix self-imposed problems with more problems. With a shell suit and insulation, steel will work that way by dropping the light - leaving you with only a small negative amount to compensate for, and at the depth you are talking, that means a very small if any amount since that means heavy trimix - much lighter than air. Yes you do need a light, Bill, and somebody else can tell you all the reasons why tha never crossed your little stroke mind. With a wetsuit, steel tanks are just plain stupid, like everything else you say on here. Aluminum 80's with one aluminum 80 stage are like having 104's gaswise, and yet represent no risk in the weight category. A smarter choice. You do not need 80 deco bottles unless you have emphasema and then you should not be diving, and if your gas consumption at deco is THIS bad, you do not need to be at 350, and certainly could not stay there lonmg enough to need to big deco bottles in the first place - a mutually exclusive bullshit argumenmt on your part one more time, and no, you do not need any "redundent " deco gas because all of your gases will work despite the old wives tales to the contrary and the safety crew on the boat will be checking you at some point and bring down any extra needed gas, unless of course you do not have one, and then you will have to hope your buddies are not slobs and hoovers and that they have a little extra to pass on to you, which is usually the case, or that you even have buddies at all. In fact the last time I did a really deep wreck dive at 430 feet, one of the geniuses on the boat clipped one of his deco bottles off to the buoyed line I was pulling on the way down, and it boogied. I had to share with him until the divemaster got down to us. Wetsuits compress to paper at depth and provide no thermal protection or lift, and if you really did anything but yap , you would know this. On air, you would not notice because you would be stoned to the bone and loving it. Look, idiot - nothing you say makes any sense, you are dangerous in my opinion both in substance and attitude, and you are wasting everyone's time - the whole list understands these concepts, and you do not, and you never will. Try Rec scuba where "350 for 30" and "shark attacks" will make you a big shot, or buy a CCR and go on that list. Here you are a laughing stock to ther real world, and a petty little restentful stroke, like os many othes "big timers" who get no respect because they have earned disrespect with their own stupidity and have put it in writing, like you have, one more time. bigvon@be*.ne* wrote: > > If you want to discuss my posts then at least answer the question I posted to you and you refused to > answer, tough guy. > > Tell me your configuration for a warm water (non-dry suit) open ocean dive to 350' for 25-30 min. > without a scooter. > Of course you will do it with your double aluminum's and five stages because you do not use steels > in the ocean. I want to see you swim with THAT configuration. Oh I forgot, you have stated that you > do not make long deco ocean dives....wonder why?.....? > Or are you so addicted to scooters that you can't make this dive? > This is an instance when steels are the logical choice for capacity and redundant BC's are the > logical safety choice. > Get a life George. > Von > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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