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Hello Dianetics Dave, So you have made it to the 4th level have you. That's great. You still fail to see the logic behind having a common system to use everytime you dive. A system where you intuitively know where to reach in the case of an emergency. A system where you have thoroughly thought through all the contingencys and chosen the safest alternatives. As for rebreathers, we have seen those used effectively in DIR as well. You talk about equipment configuration and understanding, but you don't seem to understand. You have not been able to defend any one of your equipment choices. Every single equipment configuration you have suggested has been sorely lacking. You know what I think you are? A gizmo guy. I know a guy like you... Everytime he sees a cool piece of dive gear he has to have it. He loves to collect dive gear. He loves to invent scenarios where he can make use of that obscure piece of gear. You know what? I don't dive with him. Half the time he showed up at the dive site he tried an "improved" configuration and ended up aborting the dive for some reason or another. You never knew how he would be rigged on the next dive. You Dave are a gizmo guy. So stop trying to build youself up with hand waving and stories of the past and now Dianetics. Glad to see you are now at the 4th level. Mat. --- Dave Sutton <pilots@na*.ne*> wrote: > ><< "Poneys" are too stupid to recommend on a modern > "tech" list, >> > > > >Well , ponys added to a single 80 , or 100 or 120 > cu ft tank for a no-deco > >or short deco single gas ( air or nitrox) 70 - 130 > foot sport dive > ........may > >not be what one would consider technical diving . > But they are a very good > >valid configuration for average divers in this > area , IMO better than a > >h-valve , or an octopus for redundancy. > > > This all goes (again) to the application of the > proper technique > to meet the proper mission. Steve understands this, > and George > does not. > > To proceed: > > We all dive according to our learning processes > and (hopefully) we look at and use the lessons > that have been learned the hard way by those > who went before us. > > The 4 levels of learning are Rote, Understanding, > Correlation, and Application. Diving at different > levels of technique can be used to understand the > differences. > > Rote: Method is appliued just because the diver was > told to do it that way, with no understanding of the > process. A PADI diver diving reefs after 5 pool > sessions is probably at this level. > > Understanding: The diver uses the techniques that > were taught, and understands the reason for the > system. This diver does not, however, develop > new methods nor does that diver modify learned > methods to meet the needs of the mission. A diver > wearing side mounts while diving in the tropics at > moderate depth is an example of this. He understands > the advantages of this system of rigging, but does > not > critically analize the reasoning behind it and does > not > use the -appropriate- technique for the day at hand. > A similar example is a wreck diver showing up for > cave > diving without modifying his gear, and the same can > be > said for a cave diver showing up for a day of wreck > diving. > A diver showing up for a live-boating day and > finding that > the local boats are geared for anchoring into the > wreck is > another example, as is the opposite. > > Correlation: The diver looks at the conditions that > are > present at any gven site and selects the appropriate > tool for the day. He may, for instance, recognize > that > for many dives side mounts are appropriate, but > knowing > that the dive on this day will be a nitrox dive to > moderate > depths with minimal decompression obligation, he > chooses > to rig with a single 104 and a pony. He realizes > that there > is an advantage in security using a pony instead of > an H > valve, and selects what is really just mismatched > doubles > for his method. He looks at his cave reel, looks at > the wave > conditons today, contemplates 3 finger mitts V/S 5 > finger > gloves, selects the mitts and along with the mitts > decides > to use his manila reel as he knows that his > dexterity will be > impaired and he feels more comfortable with the > manila > line. He realizes that this is a drag addition, but > weighs that > against the other variables and chooses accordingly. > He realizes that the dive boat has chosen to anchor > into > the wreck, and while recognizing the advantages of > live-boating > realizes that it's not going to happen today, and > plans for an > off-anchor deco. He has enough -equipment- be able > to choose and enough -common sense- to do so. > > Application: This is the highest level. The diver > looks at all of > the available techniques, finds them lacking, and > based on > his own experience decides to design his own. He's > tired of > listening to the 'tech' and 'cave' divers bickering > with the > 'wreckers' over such details like if independant > singles are > unsafe, pony V/S stage bottle for deco, etc. For the > life of him > he cannot see the difference from a gas flow and > reliability > standpoint beween side mounts and independant > singles > mounted in a twin harness. It bafflles his how > anyone can > say that identifying his pony regulator (or dual > singles regulator) > is difficult to do, since he wears them over > different shoulders > and sees that the side mount guys seem to have no > problem > identifying their different regs. He's recognizes > that the mainstream > is making a lot over a little, and strikes off on > his own path. > He is the guy likely to be working with a milling > machine and > lathe making his own stuff. He's the guy using a > rebreather and > not bothering with the side mounts at all. He's the > guy that > was making ideal manifolds up 20 years ago, and he's > the > guy making his own bailout rebreather to back up his > main > rebreather today. > > With all due respect to the fact that I think that > GI is a pompous > ass, he's probably in the 4th category. So are the > guys who > would not use open circuit for anything other than > bailout. > The guys who 'look beyond' and then do it. Not to > blow the > horn of myself or my buddies, but we have gone past > open circuit > and consider it old technology. Tech diiving? You > bet. Mainstream? > Not just yet. Side mounts V/S Doubles V/S pony > Bottles? > Who cares? They are all obsolete. It's just a > matter of time. > But again, that is for the 'correct' application. > The 'Correlation' > level diver may leave his rebreather at home on nice > days > when 100 foot O/C nitrox mode is the easy way to > make the dive. > > > Rude comments deleted without so much as a second > thought. > Thoughtfull comments gladly debated. Hopefully the > debaters > will be at least at the 'Application' level, which > based on the > comments put forth by many 'Understanding' level > divers may > be a stretch. > > > Dave Sutton > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > ===== M-Plan - Free-Ware dive planning software utilizing the Buhlmann ZHL-16 algorithm at: mailto:mbloedorn@ya*.co* http://www3.sympatico.ca/bloedorn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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