Wrolf before you speak for NE divers you should do your homework many of is
DO dive DIR and find it the best system to use in cold water with poor viz
ect.


Eric


----- Original Message -----
From: Ingemar Lundgren <ingemar.lundgren@mb*.sw*.se*>
To: Wrolf Courtney <wrolf@wr*.ne*>
Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: The best of Dave Sutton


> Wrolf Courtney wrote:
>
> "I look forward to the time when consideration is given in the DIR system
> for low vis, high current, cold
> water, anchored boat diving."
>
> The DIR system works in any environment and i think that has been proven
by
> DIR divers around the world. Myself and a lot of other people dive DIR in
> Sweden where the water is very cold and the vis is somtimes bad. We dive
DIR
> because we feel that it is the system best adopted for cold water wreck
> diving.  Especially in cold water with heavy gloves on you need a simple,
> efficient and no junk configuration.  Christmas tree configurations are
> especially ill suited to cold water diving.  Same goes for low vis and
high
> current.   Diving from anchored boats is a bad idea in my experience. If
> diving from an anchored boat you should have a separate down line.  I can
> not see why the DIR system could not be used from an anchored boat though.
> The problem with you guys is that you do not have any arguments for your
> configuration.  What you do is fabricating arguments such as DIR can not
be
> used in cold water and heavy currents efficiently which is utterly bull
> shit.  It is time to realise that the conditions you have in NJ is not
> unique.
>
>
>
>
> Wrolf Courtney wrote:
>
> > Ingemar Lundgren wrote:
> > >
> > > I have assembled some of Dave Suttons most entertaining posts
> > ...snip...
> >
> > Dave Sutton certainly gives an accurate picture of NE wreck diving.  You
> > seem to regard it as entertaining, but it is still an accurate
> > picture.
> >
> > WKPP/DIR/Hogarthian techniques are known to many advanced NE wreck
> > divers, and
> > almost without exception rejected.  I do not understand why.  I do not
> > know whether they are rejected because they are inappropriate for
> > conditions here;
> > because people are resistant to change; or because of the foul mouthed
> > venom
> > for which the proponents of DIR are well known.
> >
> > I suspect a little of each.  DIR techniques have no leading proponents
> > in the
> > NY/NJ area, and have made no adjustments to it.  I look forward to the
> > time when
> > consideration is given in the DIR system for low vis, high current, cold
> > water, anchored boat diving.
> >
> > Of course, people are resistant to change, especially when they do not
> > see a
> > problem with what they are doing.  A little evangelism could help here.
> > Unfortunately none of the DIR proponents that I have invited to speak at
> > local dive clubs have taken me up on the offer.  I make it again: if
> > George
> > or Jarrod are prepared to speak in front of the local New York clubs,
> > drop me a line and I will arrange it.
> >
> > The foul mouthed garbage on this list turns many people off
> > immediately.  This
> > is what this list is known for in the diving community.  As one of the
> > founding members of this list, this still infuriates me.  It totally
> > destroys
> > the message.  Think of a car salesman (or bond salesman if you prefer),
> > trying
> > to sell to a new customer by calling them a "bone smuggler".  Not only
> > do you
> > put off that customer that time, you probably put them off permanently,
> > and
> > put off a bunch of lurkers at the same time.
> >
> > If you have not made the sale, then move on.  Maybe you can make the
> > sale later.
> > Burning bridges does not pay.
> >
> > --
> > Wrolf
> >
> > Wrolf's Wreck: http://wrolf.net
> >
> > "Thank you for your support"  -- 1980s Bartles and James advertising
> > slogan.
>
>
>
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