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Joel, as you know, I am ALWAYS the one they are complaining about, and as you point out, they ALWAYS get their asses kicked when it comes to the diving information and logic. A few years back, I accomodated the complainers by leaving out the style they were complaining about. It is now apparent that the message is more distasteful to them than the style, and that the resentments towards me are stronger than ever now that I am more careful to make my case. Your suggestion of new lists has been followed already. The original Boat Monkee, Mark Weezel, started the "Wreckdiver" list, which should satisfy most of the complainers. It is on Aquanaut, just like this one, and I am not on it and am not allowed on it. Then for the real "tekkies", there is the "Rebreather" list. This is a dreamland of unrealistic stupidity unrivaled anywhere. It has all of the very most polite people on it, and some of the biggest geeks ever. There are sugggestions about diving on there so stupid that even the most hard core personal preference liberal will be happy.I am banned from that list permanently. None of the WKPP rebreather divers are on that list. There is also the Compuserve Scuba Forum which has about ten sub forums from medical to fetish and of course, I have been permantently banned from evey last one of them. The level of politeness there is the highest, in inverse proportion to the information level. I can tell you that getting kicked off of there brought tears to my eyes - of laughter. There are also the decompression list, which I am not on, the Cave science list, which I am not on, the Houston Cavers list, which I am not on, the Virginina Beach tec list ( not on ) and many,many others which I am not on. I am on "cavers", and I am on "WKPP", so the strokes need to avoid those two lists where there are no rules. However, I am the one and only person ever to get kicked off of "techdiver", and even Tom Mount complained about that. They brought me back by popular demand. The fact is that the message is what makes the mooks look like mooks, and I think the mooks have proven that themselves, especially this last round of idiots that showed up. Joel, remember the days of fake email? I sent a fake to you of Rick Sankey threatening to kick your ass. For those of you who do not know these two, Sankey is a marathon runner type, and Markwell is a pretty big boy who teaches karate for "kicks". Those were some funny times on the lists, and these guys complain now? They never saw the real insanity .. Joel Markwell wrote: > > I've been reading and occasionally posting to Techdiver almost since its > inception. And before that on other lists and services for nearly 12 years. > One thing that has always been a constant is that there are always > opinionated people on such services. SCUBA and especially Techdiving seems > to attract that personality type. Some keep it to themselves, others feel > compelled to share their thoughts. Sometimes that's good, sometimes not. > > Techdiver has always been an especially open, no-holds-barred forum for any > and all ideas related to the subject and that is good. What is not good, in > my opinion, is all the personality BS that flies in every direction. We > could do with more signal on the signal-to-noise ratio. But some things > can't be changed and I'd rather have the discourse than not, so I have hung > in there, mostly listening, sometime questioning, occasionally contributing. > > But every now and then we get new guys on the block who feels compelled to > rid us of the forces of evil on the list and spend a lot of time howling at > the wind. threatening, cajoling and complaining. Outslamming the slammers in > volume (in both senses of that word) and trying to speak for the "silent > majority" who are said to be tired of the BS. > > What usually ends up happening is they emit a last harrumph and move on, > tired of the noise, tired of the fights, but unwilling to stand their > ground, often unsure of what ground they are standing on. These divers are > like someone going to a Heavy Metal concert, complaining about the noise, > but not content to just recognize their mistake and move on. They feel > compelled to grab a mike and bitch at the band first like anyone in the > audience cared. > > It would be OK with me if we could reduce the noise, I'm sure there are > plenty out there who feel that way, because there's a helluva lot of signal > here. But failing that I'll keep hanging in and filter out the static > myself. I do have a suggestion for the whiners, though. Start your own list, > maybe the Polite Divers List. Any takers? > > Later, > > JoeL > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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